Is Apple going to fix OS X 10.7 Lion?

But this is not a contact medium for Apple. So saying it is over to Apple in a community of Apple users is counterproductive.

Alf Megson wrote:

No I didn't, I said, it's over TO Apple, i.e. now it's their turn to do something about it, just as it was with the Cheetah debacle of 2001.

Alf Megson wrote:

I've done my bit. Now, just as in 2001, it's over to Apple.

Or did you not read my post?

Alf, go back and read all the posts which tell you how to contact Apple. This is not the medium.

>Maybe only people who know the answers to questions should offer comments.

And you know what, those who would know WHAT Apple is going to fix, and when are under non-disclosure agreement. Apple does not generally announce what it is going to fix to the general public until AFTER its release. If you click on my name, you'll see I've been a member here since December 2000. That's over 10 years. I should at least have some concept of how this forum works, and whom to contact. http://www.apple.com/contact/

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

http://bugreporter.apple.com/ after a free connection to http://developer.apple.com/

People have offered you the best advice any end user can in this forum. Please do not disregard it, as you aren't going to get any better advice.

>...but blaming Apple for things which are not its fault, and assuming Apple will fix certain things when only you have experienced them, and a few select other people, and not everyone running Lion is experiencing these issues, is the surest way to lead yourself to disappointment about Apple's products.

Actually, I can attest that this is indeed Apple's fault. Almost all of the problems that Alf had listed has also been a problem for me. A software upgrade isn't supposed to be a software downgrade. Or at least that's what Lion feels like. I installed Lion on the day it was released. After Lion installed, it had to do some kind of indexing so Spotlight can work blazingly fast. However, even after indexing, Lion runs at a slower speed than Snow Leopard. My MacBook Pro is the mid-year 15" base-line 2009 model (the one that came out right before Snow Leopard update) and it should not be running at this kind of speed. I have looked into disabling startup applications and more that run in the background in order to speed up my performance to no avail. This is clearly not a hardware problem, it is a software issue. An avid forum user such as yourself should already know about these issues as they are posted nearly everywhere. I'm afraid that there are just some people who fail to realize that Apple did a bad job here.

Alf simply wants to know if Apple is going to fix such issues with Lion or not. Instead of trying to disprove that his issues with Lion are unique to himself and a "few" others, open your minds to see that these are actual serious issues that many users are encountering and complaining about. Just because not EVERY user is experiencing these problems does not mean that they do not exist or ignored.

Furthermore, no average OS user is going to know whether the community knows the answer to his question or not, and it certainly does not hurt to ask. It is not common knowledge for people to simply assume that anyone who knows about a software update fix is to remain silent about them until the update is actually released. The community simply wants fixes to their problems and posting on forums is their way of attempting to find the solutions that they need.

However, I do suggest for Alf to post about his issues with Lion to Apple directly now that he knows about it. I have already done so myself and am positive that Apple will remain diligent and try to get as close to perfect as possible with their upcoming solutions.

All i can say is thank god for this community! I was hot to download Lion but checked here 1st and am very happily still running SL on both my Macs, I've NEVER had a day of problems with SL on either computer. The OS is as reliable as a Toyota! When Apple introduces fixes for the issues many people are seeing with Lion THEN I'll consider the upgrade.

Thanks

Glad I was part of the help. I'm thinking about reverting back to Snow Leopard but I have to weigh it out first. I'm not saying Lion is dead horrible, but it certainly does need refinement and more stability. There are many features that I love in Lion including the new Mail app! Also to downgrade means to do so much work. I'm not sure if I'm up for backing up everything and throwing everything back on after a clean install... that would take too long. I miss the good ol SL and non-broken Exposé though.

You're a smart guy. You've got a backup or two. Have you considered a clean install? It might be less work than all the trouble shooting you're doing.

Then you are going to have to wait until 10.8 is released. You won't see any general consensus that 10.7 is the best, most stable system ever until then. Everyone said exactly the same things about 10.5 when 10.6 was released.

Yes I have more than just one or two backups, I have hundreds thanks to Time Machine. The only thing that's stopping me from downgrading at this exact moment is

1. my laziness
2. the other features of Lion that I will miss
3. the amount of data that I need to be sure to backup from the date of installation till today.

10.6 was simply a more refined 10.5. If anything, OS X was at it's highest point in stability after 10.6. 10.7 is a much larger update. With these brand new features, I'm not surprised that they ahve their faults. I honestly don't think Apple will wait to fix these until 10.8, or even if a 10.8 will exist. From what I heard, it's prety **** close to the end of OS X as we know it. What's next? Most likely OS 11 or whatever they're going to name it.

I have the same plus other issues with Lion. I am reluctant to go back to Leopard however my brother and two other friends have done it.

I still believe Apple makes very good products and I want to believe they will come up with and update that will fix many of them, impossible to fix all of them, they are just too many.

Here is where you must decide.....can you work/play efficiently with all the bugs, or are you like my brother who in graphics design desided he cannot work with the mess and desided to go back to a reliable OS?

FYI. If you go to the Apple store to see an expert don't expect too much, they are flying blind on these issues and have no way to help you. They are the ones who provided a phone number for my bro and friends to call, get their money back and downgrade to Leopard.

Good luck.

I'm assuming that Apple will fix the things that need to be fixed in a future release.

That said, I have reluctantly returned the second of my Macs to Snow Leopard.

My iMac went back quickly. That was a no-brainer. Multi-display support is broken in Lion, and my iMac has two external displays. The rest could be perfect, but I'd still revert if all I could see on both my external monitors is a grey pattern.

My MBP is another story. I hung on in there with Lion, but finally pulled the plug over the weekend for the following reasons.

* Difficulty of reconnect of wifi after sleep

* Time Machine errors in 100% of backups (I had to use Console to uncover this little secret, and that was quite by accident)

* Reduced battery life due to incremental CPU consumption

There are new features I miss in Lion, but not enough for the inconvenience and risk.

John Kitchen wrote:

Multi-display support is broken in Lion, and my iMac has two external displays. The rest could be perfect, but I'd still revert if all I could see on both my external monitors is a grey pattern.

Broken? How so? Or by "broken" do you really mean "a new feature in Lion doesn't work the way I would like it".

You are giving the impression that Lion doesn't support external monitors at all. We both know that is patently false. What you really mean is that, when running in Lion's new full screen mode, you can't run one application in full screen while working on another application on a different display. Futhermore, said limitation only applies to the few Apple applications (such as Quicktime Player) that used to support fullscreen in Snow Leopard and now use the new Lion fullscreen system.

Maybe it's semantics.

Yes, "it doesn't work the way I would like it", and by "broken", I mean that I can no longer use my Mac the way I have been using it under Snow Leopard. So both descriptions are, in my opinion, accurate.

If it were just movie-playing apps like QuickTime Player, maybe I'd be tolerant of not being able to use two of my three monitors, but I'd probably want them to be black, not grey. I admit that when in a cinema, I prefer not to have two more screens with distracting stuff on them.

But for me, here is the typical use case which makes me say "broken"

• I have Aperture on my center, primary display.
• I have Safari and Mail on display number 2 (for convenience)
• On display number 3, I have Kindle Reader, and I'm going through Apple's Pro Training Series on Aperture. (I'm working toward certification). Lesson 3 introduces a chapter called "Evaluating Images in Full-Screen Mode". After explaining the benefits of this mode, the lesson plan says "Choose View Full Screen or press F"

From then on it is no longer possible to read the lesson on display 3 or anything on display 2. That, IMHO, is "broken".