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Is Apple going to fix OS X 10.7 Lion?

I have been having many problems with OS X 10.7 Lion since I installed it.


I have spent hours every day trying to find answers on here and I have tried everything. I haven't seen any posts where any of the issues I have been experiencing have been properly fixed.


I note that as of this moment there are 14005 threads about Lion - just over two weeks since its release, compared with 83617 for Snow Leopard which has been out for over two years. Admittedly, many threads concern the novel ways which Lion is installed, but even so, I mean come on! 16.75% of the threads in 2.273% of the time?


There are many threads covering the same topics and I have tried everything in my armoury as well as every suggestion. I'm not asking for any more technical support from well meaning people who are simply repeating the same suggestions ad nauseam to a growing number of people who are getting increasingly fed up.


There are people who have had positive Lion experiences and people who have had bad Lion experiences. I only read the same repeated suggestions from people with good Lion experiences - I am yet to read of anybody who has had a bad Lion experience and has fixed it. And by bad, I don't mean that they can't get used to natural scroll direction and needed to be show how to change it in the System Preferences. I mean bad like startup still taking several minutes and applications being unresponsive for about ten minutes after first hitting the power button.


I just want to list the problems I have had and which I am still having nearly after over two weeks and having re-installed Lion several times by different means, App Store, Utilities Partition, burned DVD, re-download. Fixed permissions, ran disk utility, reset the PRAM, reset SMC, cleaned caches, booted in Safe Mode etc. etc. not just once or twice but many times each. I do not have restore windows selected and I always deselect 'Reopen windows when logging back in'. I have allowed Spotlight to fully complete its indexing on every installation - the last few installations I have completely left it alone for an hour or however long it took.


Reluctantly, I even removed my Windows partition - though I don't regret that now - but it was there for a reason. That was one of the main causes of installation problems that I had read about but it had not affected my installation. Anyway, I did two further Lion installations after that and it made zero difference.


My inventory:


Slow startup, three minutes plus. The only way I have managed to reduce this my ten seconds was to turn off automatic login so that I didn't have to type my password.


Can't use any applications for up to ten minutes after startup - constant SBBoD.


Slow finder, frequent SBBoD when opening windows - windows are empty for up to thirty seconds.


Slo-o-o-ow scrolling. Just occasionally but s-o-o-o annoying.


MacBook Pro gets very hot. I have had to buy a gizmo for it to sit on to allow more air to flow under it. It was never this hot under Snow Leopard.


Save dialogue boxes also slow - also don't show folder content for up to thirty seconds.


Frequent drops in WiFi - evident either as lost connection to server alerts or the new look Safari cannot connect page informing me that I am not connected to the internet.


Video frequently freezing in QT and VLC. Strange garbled images when going to full screen - bits of desktop mangled up with bits of screensaver - incidentally, I selected Higher performance graphics in the Energy Saver preference pane but that didn't make a difference and seems to reset itself on every reboot.


General video performance.


My MacBook Pro does not go to sleep as per the settings in Energy Saver. It only sleeps when I shut the lid and never if I leave it open.


Battery life is greatly reduced, probably due to the last point.


Time Machine almost always active, mainly because it takes so long to start and cleanup but a 12MB backup can take 45 minutes. Then 15 minutes later it starts again.


Many frequently visited web [pages no longer look the same, particularly pages with embedded YouTube videos and images in frames, as much as half the video image is obscured. I have revisited with other browsers and they look fine.


Launchpad appearing empty with the words Looking for applications for ages after every reboot.


Anything to do with Flash and Safari is messed up. YouTube controls don't work properly and they have the same odd behaviour in other things like Google NASDAQ graphs - the cursor is 'sticky'. This doesn't happen in Firefox.


Pages randomly reloading - especially when using more than one tab. Very, very annoying when filling in forms etc. and you have to start again from scratch.


Typing often freezes for several seconds, mainly in Safari but also in Text Edit.


Not to mention the Mail fiasco on my first installation. I lost everything and had to manually import everything from a backup.


And I haven't the inclination to even start on the new 'features' which cannot be disabled.


So, are Apple going to fix it?



MacBook Pro 17' 2.66GHz, Mac OS X (10.7), 8GB RAM, 500GB HD (225GB free)

MacBook Pro 17' 2.66GHz, Mac OS X (10.7), 8GB RAM, 500GB HD

Posted on Aug 7, 2011 5:45 PM

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Aug 15, 2011 11:18 AM in response to Alf Megson

I foolishly believed that things couldn't get worse.


I just got this error from Time Machine:

Time Machine completed a verification of your backups. To improve reliability, Time Machine must create a new backup for you.

To improve reliability?


Basically, allowing this to happen will condemn a year's worth of backups (400GB) and commit me to this pile of garbage.


Where was the warning that this 'improvement' was featured in Lion?


@%$&!

Aug 15, 2011 11:27 AM in response to Alf Megson

Is Apple going to fix OS x 10.7 Lion?

Of course they will fix the problems that they

are aware of and have a thread of commonality.

Which is why it is important to post either via the

feedback link or the bug report link. If they only

receive one report of something through these

channels, it will sit behind those with 1000 reports

in the queque and probably won't get worked on.


As an example is the dual display issues. It is

problem that many people are having under a

fairly common set of circumstances. Hopefully,

many of them are providing feedback.


However, they will only correct faults with Lion and its

interoperability with their own software and hardware.

The only exception may be compatibility with displays

or media storage devices, if it is determined that the OS

is at fault, i.e. not meeting a particular industry standard/spec.

As far as other 3rd party hardware and

software, it is up to those developers to insure

compatibilty with any OS update. That is why Apple

publishes developer guidelines for hardware and software

and seeds developers with various beta versions of all

upgrades.

Aug 15, 2011 11:29 AM in response to Alf Megson

im having the same problems since dowload.......i wish i never downloaded, os x lion......i keep pressing the updates to see if they haved fixed the problem....my complaints...all my commands dont stick.....each time i turn on my mac the pages automaticaly reload up and with extra tags.......my desktop background never stays the same........

Aug 15, 2011 11:45 AM in response to mrpelon

To avoid having all previously open applications resume when you log in you must either quit all open applications before logging out; or, uncheck the option in the logout dialog to "reopen windows when logging back in." You can quickly deselct this option by tapping the space bar.


Doing either one of those, or both, will ensure applications do not resume on login.


Message was edited by: Michael Allbritton corrected a typo.

Aug 15, 2011 12:00 PM in response to keg55

No, the Resume option in the logout dialog does not stay unselected. It must be unselected each time you logout. Again, you can do this quickly by tapping the space bar.


To address the second part of your post, in all fairness, Apple should change the behavior of the dialog. Since it is functioning as designed there is nothing "to fix." A lot of us in the seed program sent in change requests for this particular feature and were told it would not be changed. However that does not mean you should not send in feedback. You should The more Apple hears from us on this the more inclined they will be to change the behavior of the dialog.


I'm with you. I do not want that option to always be selected. I want to be able to leave it unselected.


Message was edited by: Michael Allbritton correctly a typo.

Aug 15, 2011 11:59 AM in response to mrpelon

mrpelon wrote:


trust me ive tried ALL of that.....all the commands i put on MY mac dont stay/stick......thats whats annoying is that i dont have no control over my mac.......before os x lion ....I DID.


Other than the Resume option in the logout dialog, what other "commands" do not stick? This really sounds like hyperbole to me. If you are having a problem you should first do a search of the boards, using the dialog in the upper right, to see if your question has already been answered. If you can not find an answer then start a new topic for your problem. Posting about it in a topic already 3 pages long is a receipe for it to get lost.

Aug 15, 2011 12:09 PM in response to mrpelon

mrpelon wrote:


how about the desktop background not staying to the picture i want......every time i turn on my mac there is another picture on there.....also each time my system preferences tab is always open? at each boot


Do a search for the desktop background issue. There is more than one topic about this already. Also, re-read my response to you, above, about disabling Resume in SysPrefs.

Aug 16, 2011 3:03 PM in response to etresoft

The word improvement was in inverted commas for a reason - the message said that this was going to increase reliability - what it actually did was leave me marooned in this Lion environment by deleting all my Snow Leopard backups - I had been trying to figure out a strategy to revert to Snow Leopard which would not mean losing three weeks worth of work I have put into a very serious legal case I am involved in. Had it simply meant copying the files I had worked on, I would have done that - but I need original e-mails from the last year as evidence, not printouts or copies. There was no way of reverting to Snow Leopard which would not have involved losing either those e-mails pre-Lion or those e-mails post-Lion because, as I understand it, the previous version of Mail can't recognise the new mailboxes.


And if the backups were corrupt, how did that happen? Was it because I chucked my Mac out of the window in sheer frustration at the porridge I have to wade through with using Lion? Or was it maybe Lion's perpetual dropping of the WiFi connection perhaps?* I doubt very much it was my ReadyNAS duo which has two virtually brand new disks which are otherwise performing flawlessly.


* Clue: as much as I have felt like performing the unorthodox procedure of defenestration which I recommend to PC users at every opportunity, I have so far resisted.

Aug 16, 2011 3:06 PM in response to Alf Megson

The answer, it seems, is no.


They say they have fixed the Wifi issue but none of the other problems I am experiencing.


And, as a bonus, my boot time has INCREASED by 60%*


Thank you Apple!


* Second boot after installation of 10.7.1 - just to pre-empt any smarty-pants people who want to tell me that the installation increases the boot time because blah, blah, blah...

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