About the little scrollbar arrows...

Ah! that makes a lot of sense, Pete! Thank you for confirming my conspiracy theories...haha!

So then what you're saying is you don't really have a solution to this problem but you just defend Apple computers so you can maintain your belief in a just world, eh?

I guess my stating my opinion on a public forum would be a major annoyance for you. Which explains your attempt to discredit the legitimate gripe expressed in my original comment. I like your sense of humor though. Opening the doors to the truth by using exaggeration to soften the blow is one good way to facilitate change.

So anyway, can I score a dime bag of those scroll bar arrows dude? I got cash. Meet me under the bridge at midnight and put 'em in a plain brown bag. Come alone or I keep driving!

Numb

I have added a similar question to the Yosemite forum in case any new options are available:

About the little scrollbar arrows...

No new options. Only the ones previously stated.

Pete

It amazes me that Apple has not accepted overwhelming feedback that there are cases when scrollbar arrows are important. My use case is running Outlook on Mac.

When I have the Reading Pane displayed, I have two (or three) scrollable regions on the screen. The arrow keys on the keyboard are associated to whichever window/region/pane is currently selected. Selection of an email message lets me scroll up and down with arrow keys among different messages. I want to click up/down arrow gadgets in the Reading Pane, so I can scroll the actual message. But the selection is in the other pane and there are no scrollbar arrow gadgets. So I click in the message itself at the bottom. Now I can scroll by small amounts with the arrow keys.

Now I want to shift to a new message. I have to click a message in the top pane in order to switch messages. I don't want to look at every message in detail. I want to find another message important to what I'm doing right now. I want to just move down the list looking at the summary info for each message but only seeing the detail for a message I select. Instead I have to select each message in turn. Luckily I've turned off the option to mark messages as read automatically. Else, I'd be even more unhappy.

I imagine there are two warring armies in the Apple Usability committees. The laptop/desktop folks throw things at the tablet/iphone folks, and vice versa. In the end, the tablet/iphone guys get their way because their business is growing faster. Good usability techniques (or at least ones that hundreds of people post wishes for, multiplied for dozens or more of different pages and sites) get printed and rolled up into substitute nerf arrows and launched across at the tablet/iphone guys. Eventually the committee head says "hey, no arrows" and the views of hundreds or thousands of people get dropped in the trash can, never to be debated or considered again.

At the end of the meeting, there are hundreds of Apple developers huddled outside, many with their mac laptops at their side, and also with there tablets/iphones in their hands. The meeting breaks. Half the attendees walk out with their heads hung low, shaking their heads slowly side to side. The huddled masses outside sense immediately what has happened... again. Their heads are now also hung low, shaking slowly side to side. They walk back to their desks and set down their tablets and iphones. They open their laptops/desktops, and start scrolling awkwardly through their email messages, and get back to work. Less productively.

In the end, who wins? Noone, certainly not the user of a mac laptop who has been saying how much he loves using Macs, better than Windows, better than any of the Linux variants (can you say "gnome"), etc.

Give us back our option to turn "scrollbar arrows" on. And heck, give the subchoice of selecting whether they're together at the bottom of the scrollbar or split with up at top and down at bottom. Please! Please! P-LEASE!!

Alan Carwile

It is truly disturbing to see a post from 2011 still be relevant today, and here I am today in 2016 searching for a way to put the arrows back on the scroll bars.

It is a question of functionality, that is arrows do have a purpose under certain circumstances that make their use a time saver. Offering users 'time savers' make them more productive and happier, able to do other things with their life rather than wasting it moving a document up or down in the dysfunctional ways offered (like clicking on a hand and moving the document as much as the window allows, then having to click on the hand again in order to continue to move the document).

The scroll wheel, perfect for zooming in, especially with CAD or photoshop, the scroll bar itself for moving in significant ways, but the arrows are useful for continuing to move when the scroll bar runs out of space as it can do in large CAD files. I need this tool back. There was no reason to remove it in the first place except for an inconsequential aesthetic consideration.

Also, make the scroll bars wider too... on my iMac(s) they are too narrow and hard to click on.

And, the lower right corner to make a window larger or smaller, the area to click on is TOO SMALL. I use accessibility features to make certain things larger, to see, and for mouse movement, so your aesthetic considerations are having a real impact on my productivity, my level of frustration.

You're Apple, just make these features optional already.

Can't confirm.

simpletwig wrote:

You're Apple, just make these features optional already.

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Cheers

Pete

We don't care. We don't have to. We're Apple.