Autosaving nightmare

In that case we're simply going to have to learn new ways of doing things. We improvise, we overcome, we adapt. I'm already working Autosave + Versions into my general workflow.

Since time immemorial, MSOffice has had its own Autosave, built into the application. The user can configure it any way they like.

It is therefore completely unnecessary and a new burden on users for Apple to now impose its own Autosave function, compelling MS to change something that has been working perfectly well for years.

The same applies to every other application in existence.

Until Lion there were only two applications in the universe that did not already have their own Autosave: Apple's own iWork and TextEdit.

It seems to me that with Lion, this new behaviour by Apple is completely absurd. It could simply have added an Autosave function to these 2 applications, and left us alone.

Apart from this immediate nuisance, Apple's behaviour with Lion is surely an indication that something has begun to go wrong with the decision-making process at Cupertino.

I wish long life and happiness to Steve Jobs, who saved Apple from the nerds once before; but I fear the nerds are already taking over again.

It is therefore completely unnecessary and a new burden on users for Apple to now impose its own Autosave function, compelling MS to change something that has been working perfectly well for years.

Oh, please.... Apple isn't "compelling" Microsoft to do anything. Microsoft is adding support for Versions into their products because they know Mac users will demand it. I would hazard a guess that since Office applications do already have their own Autosave features that MS won't change anything. Why do more work than they have to?

I am sorry if I came across as being rude. Perhaps I was a little turned by your original coment. Perhaps I dont understand what you are trying to do. I have a little 4 gb usb flash drive and save data such as documents and photos all the time. I often go to a windows computer and open it up with no problem. The original photo is on your apple computer I taking. and you want to crop a photo but not touch the original and then you want to export what you cropped. This is what I am hearing.

Before you had to go to file then open a photo, then edit and crop it, then go file menu to save as. And you would still need to save it before you exported it as either a different format or different size. If you wanted to save it in its current format you just selected save as. Oh and what if you select save instead of save as.

But now you open a photo, go to file then select duplicate (save as a copy as), then you crop it, then you select file save, and it asks you the location. You can even save it to the desktop, then export it to the flash drive.

I am not using the revert to save version unless i say to myself... opps I just cropped a photo and saved a version (save) of it self over itself. I want to open a file I use the file menu and select open. The revert to saved is only if you acidentally touched the original and did not want that changed. But when i want to save the changes i make to an original i select save a version.

best of luck, I feel the proces is a lot easier now.

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Dont agree with save as being more complicated that autosave. Autosave is cumbersome and I dont always want things to be saved (especialy the version Lion decides!). As you say and correctly with SL and Windows YOU HAVE the option of saving as or just saving...with this new system you have NO option.

Anyway when you want to alter a document you dont want to DUPPLICATE the ORIGINAL file you want to make a DIFERENT file and that is why Duplicate does not make any sense. If you just wanted the same file you just press SAVE or if you want a copy just do a COPY.

This autosave/versions makes no sense at all and if it does to you then good luck but at least leave the option of turning it off for those of us that dont think like you. It would be easy as there are programs that have this option.

Lion did not invent autosave it just imposes it on everyone.

Frankly I think Apple this time implemented something for no reason at all...trying to be clever for the sake of being clever and having no benefit out of it

n3nto wrote:

Dont agree with save as being more complicated that autosave. Autosave is cumbersome and I dont always want things to be saved (especialy the version Lion decides!). As you say and correctly with SL and Windows YOU HAVE the option of saving as or just saving...with this new system you have NO option.

Yes you have an option of saving (saving a version) and save as ( duplicate -saving but with the potential of something different, perhaps a name or material inside a document or photo.)

n3nto wrote:

Anyway when you want to alter a document you dont want to DUPPLICATE the ORIGINAL file you want to make a DIFERENT file and that is why Duplicate does not make any sense. If you just wanted the same file you just press SAVE or if you want a copy just do a COPY.

Sure you do. When you want to alter a document you either create a new docuent (from an existing blank document or alter an existing document and create a new name for it. Then you save it when your done.

n3nto wrote:

This autosave/versions makes no sense at all and if it does to you then good luck but at least leave the option of turning it off for those of us that dont think like you. It would be easy as there are programs that have this option.

Lion did not invent autosave it just imposes it on everyone.

It would be easier if you understood the program Time Machine located in the System Prefs. If you have never used this program I suggest you try, I also suggest you also try Apple's Time Capsule.

Autosave is not optional, a file document is saved by default without my input...THERE IS NOT OPT OUT.

If there is no user control there is no option. It will be saved by default when lion wants it...makind a duplicate is not the same as altering a file and requesting it be saved with a dferent name, its a diferent procedure that has no benefit to the previous one.

I dont want to use it I have a Nas drive and I have dropbox and they are plenty for me and having time machine is not the question, time machine makes backups of your work thats fine its a backup drive, autosave is not a backup drive its saving versions of your work as you are working...THAT I DO NOT WANT IT TO DO.

Well, I am changing this again because I can't delete it. Got in on the convo late and made an already made comment! Sorry to hijack.

n3nto wrote:

Dont agree with save as being more complicated that autosave. Autosave is cumbersome and I dont always want things to be saved (especialy the version Lion decides!). As you say and correctly with SL and Windows YOU HAVE the option of saving as or just saving...with this new system you have NO option.

I don't think anyone has said that "save as..." is more complicated, as you describe. In fact, the new process of duplicating, then saving the new file does have a couple extra steps which I don't agree with. But I'll live with it for now. I also think you are being unnecessarily hyberbolic about haven't "NO option" in saving files. Of course you do. The Save command is still there in the FIle menu, which creates a snapshot of the state of the file for you. If a change you don't like gets saved you now have more options to recover the version you do want with Versions.

n3nto wrote:

Anyway when you want to alter a document you dont want to DUPPLICATE the ORIGINAL file you want to make a DIFERENT file and that is why Duplicate does not make any sense. If you just wanted the same file you just press SAVE or if you want a copy just do a COPY.

The former "save as..." command was simply duplicating the original file so you could save a new version. It really isn't all that different if you'll just stop and think about it for a minute. It actually does make sense. The new Duplicate command actually does do exactly what you say it doesn't.

n3nto wrote:

This autosave/versions makes no sense at all and if it does to you then good luck but at least leave the option of turning it off for those of us that dont think like you. It would be easy as there are programs that have this option.

Lion did not invent autosave it just imposes it on everyone.

It does if you just stop and think about it for a minute. I agree that for certain applications having it be optional is a good thing but you sound like you are just complaing about change for the sake of complaining.

Autosave + Versions are potentially very powerful new features for users that will mature over time. Did you know that you can actually copy-n-paste between versions of documents? For example, say you are writing a novel and you decide you don't like way a passage flows. You don't have to go back and restore the complete old document from a week ago. Just go find the passage you like and copy-n-paste into the present document. Autosave + Versions are a convienence which I think you'll find quite useful if you'll allow the features to work for you.

n3nto wrote:

THAT I DO NOT WANT IT TO DO.

Then find applications that don't support Autosave + Versions and use them instead. I suggest you get used to working with these new features because they are here to stay.

n3nto wrote:

...makind a duplicate is not the same as altering a file and requesting it be saved with a dferent name, its a diferent procedure that has no benefit to the previous one.

Actually, yes, it is exactly the same thing. Just with a couple extra steps.