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Autosaving nightmare

OK, Apple tries to save our souls (data) through the autosaving function. We do not have to remember to save files, it's done automatically. It's much better than the old way. Or not???


I have external USB drive formatted to NTFS (yes, I am surrounded by heretics who use Windows and I need to share data with them). I needed to crop a photo, but I wanted to leave the original untouched. I opened the photo in Preview, cropped it and exported under other name. What a suprise, the original photo is cropped too and because it's on NTFS I cannot even revert it back to original state :-(


So I do not have to remember saving files, but now I have to remember not to modify them. Moreover, I have to be double careful, where I am opening the file from, because if I would actually rely on the autosaving function and posibility to revert changes, I can be very badly surprised... This certainly makes my life easier :-(




Any ideas how to get rid of this function at least on non HSF volumes?

Posted on Aug 17, 2011 9:24 PM

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Aug 20, 2011 10:35 AM in response to Michael Allbritton

For me I do not see it as a couple extra steps let alone even one extra step - the way I look at it, it saves steps. Before I had to open a document "save" it, then after I closed it I had to either reopen the document and click "save as" or if the document was already open and I choose to "save as" some thing different from the original version. I would still have to save revisions to the adjusted version. I perhaps would even have to open the original document in addition to the adjusted document. Then I had to close the document and then reopen the new version, to ensure I was working on the adjusted version; because when you "save as" the only visual clue that your working on an adjusted document is the name on the top of the document but you could easily forget to review the original document if your working in an area that requires documents swithching between screens or switching between the original document and the adjusted document it is very easy to make the mistake of saving something to the original document instead of the adjusted document. I can not tell you how many times i use to hear from people... do i go to "save" or "save as?" or what is the difference between "save" and "save as"? (people would ask me.) Now I just tell people make a duplicate and save me the revisions to my shared folder. I think it takes some getting use to but overall, it does add efficency to the process.

Aug 20, 2011 11:30 AM in response to n3nto

n3nto wrote:


Exactly a couple of extra anoying steps and the fact that I might not want to save the version that I am working on. Yes I know that there are programs that dont autosave but I am afraid that Apple goes further towards this type of arbitrary simplification that In my opinion will ruin an amazing OS.

See... I just can't fathom working on a document in, say, Pages, and not saving it. That just doesn't make sense to me. If I don't like the changes I've made I just "Undo" by typing CMD+z, then I save again.


I understand you don't like the new features, but instead of just complaining about them why not find a way to incorporate them into your workflow? After all, they are here to stay.

Aug 20, 2011 1:53 PM in response to Carlo TD

Carlo im not a child, without wanting to offend you, you will have to wake up a bit earlier and read everything before calling someone a liar, that I am not. I have 5 macs, the main one I downgraded, two others I have lion (an older Imac and a Macmini connected to my tv) the others I never updated nor will I untill I can opt out of some features or someone comes out with a tweak!


I am vocal because as you can see Im quite a fan but I am not a blind fan as I also use the Macs for work and would like to have the OPT OUT option to continue using Macs in the future

Aug 20, 2011 1:55 PM in response to macjack

macjack wrote:


To Disable Autosave /Versions System

Go to System Preferences > General

UN check "Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps".

Restart.


To Disable Autosave Time Machine

System Preferences >Time Machine > Options


UN-check Lock documents ...”


Those options in SysPrefs do not disable Autosave + Versions. That option only controls whether an application opens the documents that were previously open. At this time there is no reliable way to disable Autossave + Versions.

Aug 20, 2011 4:05 PM in response to Michael Allbritton

Michael Allbritton wrote:


n3nto wrote:


THAT I DO NOT WANT IT TO DO.

Then find applications that don't support Autosave + Versions and use them instead. I suggest you get used to working with these new features because they are here to stay.

I don't believe you. IMO this bad implementation will be made optional in10.7.3 (.2 is for the iCloud, so expect more uproar there instead).



Michael Allbritton wrote:


n3nto wrote:


...makind a duplicate is not the same as altering a file and requesting it be saved with a dferent name, its a diferent procedure that has no benefit to the previous one.

Actually, yes, it is exactly the same thing. Just with a couple extra steps.

Ho, yus! And these extra steps do what? Exactly: They make working with Mac OS worse.

Aug 20, 2011 7:00 PM in response to Morgan2

Dear all, I this there is no need to have too heated debate. I would say that the most important part of these discussions is to gather together ideas and reasons why this or that funciton is or isn't good and how it should be improved.


It is necessary to show Apple developers that not all ideas and implementations they introduced are 100% perfect. Without feedback from users these would never get better. So lets keep the discussion at that level.


I have said that couple of times before: the new feature should have been implemented in more general way to be available to applications without changes in the apps and adding new functionality rather than chaning the old one.



A general comment, but yet still related to the Lion and its new features: I am very unhappy about the underlying direction of Apple to merge Mac OS X with iOS. These are two OSs for entirely different purposes. Bringing too much from one to other will certainly upset lot of users make them switch again to other platforms.

Aug 21, 2011 1:44 AM in response to pepa_u

There is one more thing related to autosave, versioning and re-opening last edited files - it makes sence if for example Pages automaticaly open the last edited files or Safari opens last web pages after the starting.


But why QuickTime Player?!? I watch a movie, then close QuicTime. Next time QuickTime starts it opens the movie again!! This is really very, very anoying stuff. One has to remember to close all windows and then close the QuickTime.


Of course, one can turn this off in preferences, but then it does not work in apps where it is usefull...

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