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Autosaving nightmare

OK, Apple tries to save our souls (data) through the autosaving function. We do not have to remember to save files, it's done automatically. It's much better than the old way. Or not???


I have external USB drive formatted to NTFS (yes, I am surrounded by heretics who use Windows and I need to share data with them). I needed to crop a photo, but I wanted to leave the original untouched. I opened the photo in Preview, cropped it and exported under other name. What a suprise, the original photo is cropped too and because it's on NTFS I cannot even revert it back to original state :-(


So I do not have to remember saving files, but now I have to remember not to modify them. Moreover, I have to be double careful, where I am opening the file from, because if I would actually rely on the autosaving function and posibility to revert changes, I can be very badly surprised... This certainly makes my life easier :-(




Any ideas how to get rid of this function at least on non HSF volumes?

Posted on Aug 17, 2011 9:24 PM

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Aug 17, 2011 9:30 PM in response to pepa_u

For the moment you can't turn Autosave off. However be sure and send in your feedback.


In the meantime, going forward, the next time you do something like this remember to pull down File > Duplicate to create a new version of the file before you make any changes. It may take a little time but we'll just have to get used to doing things just a little bit differently.

Aug 17, 2011 10:32 PM in response to Michael Allbritton

Yeah, I know. I have found this right after discovering the problem. However, we had to remember in the past to save files and now we have to remember duplicate them before modifing them. So from my point of view... it's still the same.


Speaking about it, I like the versioning itself. I think it's a good idea. But removing the "save as" was step too far. Moreover, I would really appreciate to have an option to save files only when I want. In other words, I would be in control when a version is saved. It is certainly not always desirable.

Aug 18, 2011 2:21 AM in response to Michael Allbritton

Why have to do things differently? SAVE AS is the standard it is part of our computer language, so why change for the sake of chamging. When you want to do a "save as" you dont want to duplicate a file you want to change its name and make it diferent, they are tottaly opsosed things.


The problem is not the consumer changing its that Apple has got it wrong this time.

Aug 18, 2011 7:55 AM in response to Michael Allbritton

You can save any time you want, but the problem is you can't not save any time you want. Say you're working on a big file. You make a change. Autosave kicks in, spending 5 seconds to write to disk. You make another minor change. Autosave. Change. Save. I'm working on a 130M OmniOutliner file and I'm spending more time looking at the spinning beachball than I am actually making changes. That just ain't right.

Aug 18, 2011 8:15 AM in response to pepa_u

pepa - if you feel like spending a small amount of money for a very good image-editing application, I am happy to report that the new Lion version of Graphic Converter has Autosave and Versions turned OFF by default, although there's a preference that lets you turn them on if you want to. And it still has the "save as" function.


I hope all applications will deal with Autosave this way. Graphic Converter shows that it can be done.

Aug 19, 2011 5:52 PM in response to n3nto

I completely agree. It's a total overreach. I've tried to live with it and I just hate it. I do a lot of video grabs from the quicktime app for work and it just drives me nuts. The app has no save command at all, the OS determines where files are saved, when you duplicate (in attempt to bring back save as), you have to export when I want to just maintain the source file format. It's nuts and a total intrusion into my workflow. I rue the day when Adobe puts autosave in photoshop. They better give the option to disable. I have to buy MS Office now as I refuse to use iWork with autosave. This is the single worst piece of functionality change that I can remember from Apple, and I've been using GUI's since the IIGS.

Aug 19, 2011 6:33 PM in response to Morgan2

... the OS determines where files are saved, when you duplicate (in attempt to bring back save as), you have to export when I want to just maintain the source file format.


It simply isn't true that "the OS determines where files are saved." When I duplicate a file, the duplicate is the same file format as the original, and when I save for the first time on the file (CMD+s) I get the standard save dialog and I can save the file where I want. This is same behavior I get when I create a new document, as well.


I have to buy MS Office now as I refuse to use iWork with autosave.


Don't get too comfortable. Microsoft has stated they will be adding support for Autosave + Versions to the Office suite.

Aug 19, 2011 7:14 PM in response to pepa_u

are you serious? ok... this is just basics here... and your making a mountain out of nothing. you want to crop the photo and not touch the original... ok open the photo then go to duplicate... which is the same as same as but now it is simpler... so you go to duplicate... crop your photo... then (of course if you export something it is going to look like what you exported) go to file save. Apple wants you to still save your work, but in case you forget, then you are covered. I just explained it to my cat... and if the cat understands then you should have no problem understanding it also. Oh by the my cat crops photos all the time using Lion... so if you continue to have problems you could talk to my cat.

Aug 19, 2011 7:45 PM in response to Carlo TD

Mate, put brakes on the personal attacks. It's not polite and I'm sure you are polite man.


Please, read also what I wrote before. In general, autosave is a good idea, but it just causes other problems and requires other actions. Before the "autosave time" the action to never forget was "save", now it is "duplicate".


If your data are on a non HFS drive, there is no support for versioning. Hence, if you make a mistake and forget to duplicate before you modify, your original will be modified too and the data lost. .... before the "lion time" you would loose your data because you forget to save it, now you may loose it because you forget to duplicate. OK, this may happed less often, but the loss of data might be as paifull as before.


Actually, this is in some sence even more dangerous, because the need to follow this procedure occurs only sometimes - therefore, it's harder to remember to do it at the right moment. I am 100% convinced that there will be a number of people who will accidentally modify their files only to find it out much later.

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