Does anyone like Natural Scrolling

Curiously, until recently it was also "natural" to Apple. For years, Apple had "natural" scrolling. Then when pads and tablets came out, the Orwellian "Doublethink" reared its ugly head and natural became unnatural and vice versa - war is peace, etc.

When I am driving and turn the wheel left, I expect the car to go left and the scenery go right.

If an Apple car had "Natural" steering, would anyone buy it? Wasn't there an old Candid Camera episode with just such a car? I think so.

Regarding the Scotch, you reminded me of a friend who never eats anything he has not eaten before. And now James Bond has switched from Martinis to beer. What a crazy world this is. I want a more natural one.......😝

No.

I immediately turned it off, and turned scrollbars on "Always."

I seamlessly used my iPads and phone, even before this "natural" (LOL) scrolling. That's because the "hand" paradigm from apps like Photoshop is clear—you are indeed using your hand to drag content. For a mouse it's absurd. I didn't even try it, and I don't plan to. When my screen is a touch screen, I will expect my mouse to work in the proper way (pre-Lion), and the screen to work like my iPad.

As an aside, some have said that with scroll bars off it is more natural. Given the choice, I'd reset my scroll bars to be more visible and wide immediately. Scroll bars are not just a tool to move content (not needed, really), but are a visual indication at a glance of the size of the document, and your position within it. No scroll bars means you have less information. They should be easily visible at all times.

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No.

I immediately turned it off, and turned scrollbars on "Always."

I seamlessly used my iPads and phone, even before this "natural" (LOL) scrolling. That's because the "hand" paradigm from apps like Photoshop is clear—you are indeed using your hand to drag content. For a mouse it's absurd. I didn't even try it, and I don't plan to. When my screen is a touch screen, I will expect my mouse to work in the proper way (pre-Lion), and the screen to work like my iPad.

Now that's absurd.!

Didn't even try it, wow. Me I like it.

Re: "When my screen is a touch screen, I will expect my mouse to work in the proper way (pre-Lion), and the screen to work like my iPad."

Yes, exactly, for all the reasons you mention. I have tried hard to use it in "natural" mode and it's just completely contrary to the paradigm and so is counter-intuitive - touching the "content" versus moving the "viewer" are different and opposite, and should be presented that way.

I love it! I've even changed my work PC to the same scrolling method. It only took 2-3 days to stop scrolling like a drunk man. I think that people who don't want to change aren't realizing the paradigm shift that Apple is trying to fulfill. The reason we have scrolled down to go up since the mouse was invented is simple...we are scrolling the BAR to go down, in the same manner as pulling a window blind cord down makes the blinds go up. We no longer need the blind cord, or the scroll bar, to move around the computer! With the shift toward touch and "natural bounce", we should get use to moving the content onscreen and not moving scrollbars to move the content. This is all my opinion, but it is the direction that Apple is moving.

I am happy with the "natural" scrolling when using the trackpad. It feels totally natural and aligned with scrolling on touch screen devices (phones, tablets, etc).

But for the mouse, I need "reverse" scrolling. I am unable to teach my hand to work opposite to the way it has been used to by 20 years of mouse usage. The things that get me confused most when using the mouse wheel scrolling:

- scrolling through source code.

- zooming in maps. I am so used to have the mouse wheel forward-scroll zoom in, and backward zoom out that I get confused all the time.

Then again the answer to all our problems is very simple, Apple: just allow us to have a different setting for scroll direction in the trackpad and in the mouse.

I found a "scroll reverser" gizmo, but it does not seem to work (or not always anyway).

Albert

i like it because it mimmics the ipad where content tracks the same way. it only makes sense to do it this way. especially if they are working on a touch screen or tablet mac.

NATURAL NEEDS TO BE REMOVED UNTIL THEY ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THE HORIZONTAL ACCESS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE VERTICAL SWIPE OF THE NATURAL SETTING. THAT IS, SWIPING TO THE LEFT SHOULD MOVE THE SCREEN TO THE RIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH SWIPING UP MAKING THE SCREEN MOVE DOWN. VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT THAT APPLE OVERLOOKED. GOOD ONE.

No need to shout dear.

I think you're getting mixed up there stintshot. It's consistent horizontal-to-vertical whether you have natural "on" or "off". The material moves either the same way as the mouse or the opposite way, depending on the "natural" setting. Horizontal or vertical, same thing. There is no inconsistency there.

But maybe yours is messed up because your caps lock key is stuck on. Turn it off and see if that fixes it. 🙂

POLARBREEZE1, YOU DID NOT READ THE COMMENT CORRECTLY. WHEN I SAY INCONSISTENT, I AM TALKING ABOUT CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE ACTION REQUIRED FOR THE HORIZONTAL AXIS MOVEMENT AND THE VERTICAL AXIS MOVEMENT. NOT THE CONSISTENCY BETWEEN SETTINGS.

LET ME SPELL THIS OUT: THE NATURAL SCROLLING SETTING IMPLIES THAT SLIDING YOUR FINGER UPWARD IS SIMULATING PUSHING THE PAGE UPWARD, THUS YOUR EYES FOLLOW THE PAGE DOWN (SIMULATES THE PHYSICAL WORLD). HOWEVER, UNDER THIS SAME SETTING, SLIDING TO THE RIGHT MOVES THE SCREEN TO THE RIGHT. IF IT WERE CONSISTENT, THE SCREEN WOULD MOVE TO THE LEFT. ALSO, IOS IS CONSISTENT IN THAT THE RIGHT SWIPE MOVES YOU TO THE LEFT AND VICE VERSA. THEREFORE, OS X IS ALSO INCONSISTENT WITH IOS.

LOOKS TO ME LIKE APPLE NEEDS TO MERGE THE IOS AND OS X TEAMS INTO ONE. OTHERWISE THEIR ATTEMPTS TO EVOLVE OS X INTO A MORE IOS-LIKE EXPERIENCE WILL NEVER BE SMOOTH. OR THEY COULD JUST APOLOGIZE TO THE WORLD FOR CREATING THE HYBRID IOS-MOUSE SCROLL SETTING AND CLAIMING IT IS NATURAL. MAYBE THEY COULD INCLUDE THIS IN THEIR APOLOGY TO THE U.K.

CERDO12, CAPS LOCK IS THE BEST.

Yeah, don't know what is wrong with your system. But on my system (which doesn't have a stuck cap locks key) horizontal works the same way as you would expect. Completely consistent with natural up/down scrolling.

OK, I just set mine to natural and I see that they fixed this. I will turn my caps off now. I need a beer or three.

There was nothing to fix - it always worked as intended from day 1. It must indeed have been your caps lock key that messed it up for you. 🙂

Re: IOS IS CONSISTENT IN THAT THE RIGHT SWIPE MOVES YOU TO THE LEFT AND VICE VERSA. THEREFORE, OS X IS ALSO INCONSISTENT WITH IOS.

Nope, it's the opposite. iOS swipe right moves the content to the right. In all four directions iOS behaves exactly the same as OS X (with "natural" enabled). There really is no issue here, unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you're getting at.