Why won't Apple bring back "Save As" since "Duplicate" clearly *****?
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https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3336462?answerId=16192799022#16192799022
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 3 novembre 2011 17:21:57
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Doug in Valley Village wrote:
DChord has covered much of what I woould have said here, but there are two further points that seem to elude you.
1) Before the Lion upgrade, my Macbook could Save As. Now, it can't. There was no warning of this change in any of the promos, emailsor videos I saw imploring me to upgrade to Lion. So from my perspective, I just paid Apple to make my computer less capable than it once was. This is new territory. I've never bought an upgrade that was actually a downgrade before. I had tried to avoid the upgrade, but I had to get Lion to accommodate iCloud just to maintain the functions I already had through MobileMe. I didn't seek the square wheels, they sought me.
2) I (like most people) don't have the resources to buy a new computer whenever I want, so pretending I can just buy a new one is facile. I spent a lot of time thinking about what to buy, and I picked a product that did everything I wanted. Now, it does less. It's okay for me to complain about that fact and try to change it. "Love it or leave it" is not an argument winner, it's a tantrum. The fact that you're relying on it so soon is actually a pretty good sign that you've lost the argument already. And your rude "yawn" at DChord is a pretty good sign that you realize you've lost it as well.
Remind me again exactly why you upgraded, you can continue to use MM, Save As lives on in various forms just with different labels, and none of this was secret.
As a student teacher, i open lot of files,then i save them under the name ad file type i see fit. Remove Save as? Thats the worst idea i never encountered from Apple. With Save as, i keep track of the multiple versions of my work, and everything was fine.
File>Export does what you need in the same number of keystrokes as before.
Cmd+Shift+S was effective enough. When working with Pages, File>Export doesn't allow you to save as a Pages file. In Pages 08, Save as allowed to save as a Word, Pdf document wich was a breeze.
Its no big deal, i switched back to Snow Leopard.
As has been pointed out, that does something different. Saving is still broken.
Whitecity wrote:
As has been pointed out, that does something different. Saving is still broken.
As has been pointed out, "Export" does what you want. I suggest that you use whiteout on your screen and write in "Save as" instead of "Export."
Hello Csound1
Most of the time I agree with what you post but this time I don't.
File > Export doesn't allow us to save as Pages '09 files.
Save this Applescript as a script (xxx.scpt)
Move the newly created file into the folder:
<startup Volume>:Users:<yourAccount>:Library:Scripts:
Thanks to the free version of FastScripts, I attached the shortcut cmd + shift + s to a variant of this script which I use daily.
--{code}
--[SCRIPT Save_As#2]
(*
Enregistrer le script en tant que Script : Save_As#2.scpt
déplacer le fichier ainsi créé dans le dossier
<VolumeDeDémarrage>:Users:<votreCompte>:Library:Scripts:.
Ouvrir des documents iWork, Aperçu ou TextEdit.
De temps à autres, allez au menu Scripts puis choisissez “Save_As#2”
(ou, si comme moi vous utilisez FastScripts, appelez le script par un raccourci ).
Le script dupliquera le document en cours et vous laissera l'enregistrer
avec le nom et la destination de votre choix.
--=====
L’aide du Finder explique:
L’Utilitaire AppleScript permet d’activer le Menu des scripts :
Ouvrez l’Utilitaire AppleScript situé dans le dossier Applications/AppleScript.
Cochez la case “Afficher le menu des scripts dans la barre de menus”.
Sous 10.6.x,
aller dans le panneau “Général” du dialogue Préférences de l’Éditeur Applescript
puis cocher la case “Afficher le menu des scripts dans la barre des menus”.
--=====
Save the script as a Script: Save_As#2.scpt
Move the newly created file into the folder:
<startup Volume>:Users:<yourAccount>:Library:Scripts:Applications:Numbers:
Maybe you would have to create the folder Numbers and even the folder Applications by yourself.
Open a document with iWork, Preview or TextEdit.
From time to time, go to the Scripts Menu, choose Numbers, then choose “Save_As#2”
(or, if like me you use FastScripts, call the script thru a shortcut ).
The script will duplicate the doc in progress and will let you save it
where you want with the name you want.
--=====
The Finder’s Help explains:
To make the Script menu appear:
Open the AppleScript utility located in Applications/AppleScript.
Select the “Show Script Menu in menu bar” checkbox.
Under 10.6.x,
go to the General panel of AppleScript Editor’s Preferences dialog box
and check the “Show Script menu in menu bar” option.
--=====
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France)
2011/09/26
*)
--=====
property triggerSave : true
(*
true = trigger Duplicate then trigger Save…
false == trigger only Duplicate
*)
--=====
on run
(*
Use the property triggerSave
*)
local theApp, miDuplicate, miSave, sourceName
tell application "System Events" to set theApp to name of first application process whose frontmost is true
if theApp is "Pages" then
set {miDuplicate, miSave} to {10, 9}
else if theApp is in {"Numbers", "Keynote"} then
set {miDuplicate, miSave} to {9, 8}
else if theApp is "TextEdit" then
set {miDuplicate, miSave} to {8, 7}
else if theApp is "Preview" then
set {miDuplicate, miSave} to {9, 8}
else
error number -128
end if
set mtFile to 3
tell applicationtheApp to activate
tell application "System Events" to tell process theApp
if triggerSave then
(*
Get name of current document *)
set sourceName to name of first window whose subrole is "AXStandardWindow"
(*
Prepare the loop which would close the sheet "Your document has been changed… " *)
set nbw to count of (every window whose subrole is "AXStandardWindow")
end if
(*
Trigger the menu item Duplicate *)
tell menu bar 1 to tell menu bar itemmtFile to tell menu 1 to clickmenu itemmiDuplicate
if triggerSave then
(*
Wait for possible sheet "document was edited, are you really wanting to duplicate it"
and click "Duplicate" if it appears *)
delay 0.2
repeat 5 times
if exists first sheet of window sourceName then
click first button of first sheet of window sourceName
exit repeat
end if
end repeat
(*
Wait for the duplicate window *)
repeat while nbw = (count of (every window whose subrole is "AXStandardWindow"))
--
end repeat
(*
The duplicate window is available. Trigger the menu item Save… *)
keystroke "s" using {command down}
end if -- triggerSave
end tell -- System Events
end run
--[/SCRIPT]
--{code}
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 11 décembre 2011 17:23:24
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KOENIG Yvan wrote:
Hello Csound1
Most of the time I agree with what you post but this time I don't.
File > Export doesn't allow us to save as Pages '09 files.
File>Save gets you the Pages file, File>Export gets the other formats, if you want both formats do both operations (same as Save .. Save As)
Save… is unavailable if the document was already saved once.
To get it, as most askers wrote, we must trigger Duplicate first.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 11 décembre 2011 17:56:18
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Yes, if already saved you would use duplicate for a Pages file and Export for another format, frankly Yvan I am surprised that you of all people find this convention complex.
If you want a pages file Save/Duplicate
If you want a different format Export
When I am unable to handle that flow, shoot me.
It seems that you didn't understood what I tried to say.
I don't find this scheme complex.
From my point of view it's fine.
As I wrote many times, when I want to create new documents starting from an other one, for years I start from templates (or stationaries). So, I have no problem with the Save As… dropping.
At this time, from my point of view, AutoSave is annoying because iWork apps were not coded with brains but with feet.
Saving requires a lot of time and if the document in progress is a long one, it's difficult to work.
It's why I use a variant of the posted script.
This variant don't wait that I define a name and a location.
It build a name from the ISO date_time value : yyyy-mm-ddThh-mm-ss.pages.
This way, I may work safely for hours on a document which was never saved (so, I'm not disturbed by AutoSave) and keep chronological copies. I just trigger the script every ten minutes or even more often.
Happily, as I wrote several times, making iWork apps iCloud aware will force the engineers to redesign their inefficient code.
When it will be done, I assume that the annoying drawback of AutoSave will be gone and my alternate script will no longer be useful.
The standard version posted here will continue to be useful for users which disagree with the "Save As…" dropping.
I disagree with them but I do my best to help them, even if they dislike that.
Bringing back Save As… doen't require to make AutoSave optional.
It just need to create a new menu item triggering Duplicate and Save… in a single call.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 11 décembre 2011 18:32:40
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I wish it were so simple...
KOENIG Yvan wrote:
It seems that you didn't understood what I tried to say.
I don't find this scheme complex.
From my point of view it's fine.
Bringing back Save As… doen't require to make AutoSave optional.
It just need to create a new menu item triggering Duplicate and Save… in a single call.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 11 décembre 2011 18:32:40
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I won't disagree with the last paragraph, I'll just use a slightly different workflow until it is implemented, life's to short to wait.
Why won't Apple bring back "Save As" since "Duplicate" clearly *****?