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Thunderbolt Display turns off randomly

I have a new Mac Mini 2011 i7 Quad CPU version. I have a Thunderbolt 27 inch display. I have found that the display randomly turns off and won't turn on when I use the keyboard or mouse. This occurs when I am doing stuff on the machine, it is not a display sleep issue. The first couple of times I had to use Remote Desktop to reboot the Mac Mini to fix the issue. The last time it happened I removed the Thunderbolt plug from the Mac Mini and reinstalled it and this fixed the issue. I have the latest software updates on the Mac Mini and the Thunderbolt Firmware update on the Display.


I am running Lion 10.7.1

Posted on Sep 21, 2011 9:35 PM

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Posted on Feb 20, 2017 6:19 PM

No news here, just another data point for anyone who still cares. 😁


tl;dr: another instance of this issue improving with an external Thunderbolt cable.


2011 Mac Mini Server with Thunderbolt Display that started blacking out after 5+ years of being awesome. The blackouts increased in duration from 1-2 second flashes that recovered autonomously to apparently indefinite darkness that required a monitor power cycle or signal cable unplug/replug to recover.


I tried:

  • PRAM/SMC reset, multiple times.
  • Display settings hoakus poakus:
    • reduce brightness
    • disable automatic brightness adjustment
    • disable power save
  • Software updates

    All updates to TBD and Mac mini had been applied already. Even so, I downloaded and launched the standalone update installers from support.apple.com. Each installer indicated that the update was already installed.


The frequency of the blackouts had been increasing over the course of the last few weeks, until reaching a crescendo over the weekend where the display would remain illuminated for only a few seconds before needing another power cycle or signal cable dis/re-connect.


The number of posters to this thread who found relief from this issue by using an external Thunderbolt cable gave me hope. I picked up a new Thunderbolt cable from my local Apple Store today, and for the first time in a few weeks my TBD has been solid for more than a couple of hours.


I've seen enough posts in this thread to know that victory can never be declared on this issue, but I'll post updates over the next few weeks as I suspect at least a few folks are in my situation and ready to buy new hardware when Apple freshens up the desktop offerings. Until then a working TBD is the best possible setup for me.

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Nov 8, 2012 12:14 AM in response to gadget_aussie_man

Since the downgrade to 8GB RAM on my Mac mini server 2011, the blackouts were completely gone, although problems with flickering on low brightness settings arose, which is, I guess, a different issue.


However, now that I got myself a new Mini (Quad 2,6Ghz) with 16GB RAM (officially supported now) the blackouts are back: intermittent flashes, the screen goes black and sometimes stays that way until

replugging.



***sigh***

Nov 8, 2012 12:20 AM in response to bikkuri

This isn't a computer issue - this is just faulty displays. Plugging and unplugging seems to have a correlation to RAM as it's something many people modify, and after they have reconnected everything sometimes the system behaves better for a while.


My screen was replaced by Apple in-store and has not had a single problem since. Stop torturing yourselves and just take your screens back to Apple.


My original Thunderbolt worked for months with 16GB RAM, then went like yours. Since replacement it was perfect on 16GB RAM, and has been perfect now I'm on 20GB RAM. All in my 2011 iMac.


I believe that in this case, blaming RAM for the reason your external display power board (or whatever is wrong) is misbehaving, is like blaming the colour of your trousers...

Nov 8, 2012 12:39 AM in response to murphx

Well, I didn't say the issue is definitely caused by this. It is merely an observation that the blackouts seem to coincide with the amount of RAM installed. It's not just me, a lot of people seem to have similiar issues with similiar configurations.

Earlier this year I had my Thunderbolt Display checked out at the local service point: they didn't find anything wrong with it! But with the problems on the new mini, I will push for replacement.

Nov 8, 2012 12:55 AM in response to bikkuri

No I know, you didn't, but I was referring to the general (what I perceive to be) misapprehension. I think it is explained by the high incidence of RAM upgrades being the reason people unplug and power down everything so completely. But, given the amount of evidence which also suggests this isn't RAM related, I think we need to stop focusing on that. Do please report back if you get a replacement and it works, to further this discussion.

Nov 8, 2012 1:52 AM in response to murphx

I started this discussion thread when I got my original TB display and 2011 i7 Mac Mini Server. Apple took back the Mac Mini and TB Display to investigate the issue. The replacement display had the same issue but the original various TB firmware fixes did solve the issue and it did not reoccur when I upgraded to 16Gb RAM but did reoccur when I connected two displays, one TB and another HDMI monitor. Nothing fixed it until I changed to 12Gb RAM after which it never happened again. It was completely reproducible, no matter what brand of RAM, 16GB 2 displays had blackouts, 16Gb 1 display didn't, 12GB dual display no issues. I have now upgraded to a 2012 i7 2.3GHz MacMini with support for 16Gb. So far there have been no issues with dual display and 16Gb Ram.

Nov 8, 2012 12:10 PM in response to gadget_aussie_man

I reported the issue in detail to Apple today. The tech guy seemed to be very eager to find the cause of these blackouts (enterprise level support rocks!). He said he will contact engineering and will get back to me as soon as he knows something.


At least, the blackouts I'm experiencing now aren't as annoying as those I had before (in some cases 20 flickers in a row in a one second intervall).

Nov 9, 2012 4:08 AM in response to gadget_aussie_man

My 2nd day with dual TB displays and MacMini 2012 (2.6Ghz-i7) was such a nightmare. Boths TB displays randomly blackouts. When I work on the primary display, the daisy chained display will flick every 5 minute or so. When I work on the daisy chained display, the primary display will sleep and would not response.


Before I upgraded to Mini2012, I was using the Mini2011 (AMD) with Transcend 16G-1600Mhz along with usb, firwire, LAN pluged into TB displays and never have a single problem. I believe that there are nothing wrong with TB display, but there might be some conflicts between TB display and Intel Graphic Card.


So frustrating &$&(^#O^& .... Actually, I only need the USB3 on Mini2012.

Nov 9, 2012 4:19 AM in response to ProJay

I know, some of you might not agree, but I'll ask anyway.


What's the amount of memory installed in your new Mini?

It's just a shot in the dark, but since a memory upgrade also increases the shared vram on the onboard graphics, there might be a correlation. I noticed, as I stated earlier in this thread, the flickers increase exponentially with the stress on the graphics card...



Btw, I disconnected the second display (ACD via HDMI port) and I haven't had a single black out since.

Nov 12, 2012 8:43 PM in response to gadget_aussie_man

Whether memory issue or not, apple is to blame of everything that is being discussed here. If memory shouldn´t be exchanged by final users, the manufacturer must not give them this possibility.

IMHO, I belive we are being guinea pigs for this beta version of thunderbolt port (which I honestly think is a pretty good idea) that is still quite problematic and unstable.

Thunderbolt Display turns off randomly

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