Will the iPhone 4 support the new Siri integration?

Kiwiphone4 wrote:

I guess then you will not buy an android phone then?

That is essentially upgrading your hardware.

I will upgrade my hardware at the propper time for that. Not because the ecossystem is telling me "you want new software features? get a new hardware!". In my humble opinion, as I said on many ohter posts before, that does not make sense.

At the time my hardware gets old, I will judge if the ecossystem I am in is playing fair with me. If not, as it is happenning right now, I may change.

Kiwiphone4 wrote:

You can ask Apple to make Siri available for the iPhone4 here:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

Complaining in a user forum will get you no where.

I can see how much you want Siri, but it's not worth getting worked up over.

It's unfinished and has many flaws.

Be patient.

Not complaining here. Just exposing my thoughts with others. And trying to underestanding what I think Apple should have explained us, why this time we do not get the full software upgrade. To stay silent is, again in my humble opinion, just unrespectful. And I have the clue that they are doing that just to make as many users as possible to get the new phone. Again, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence#Technical_or_functional_obsole scence

And if you read carefully, that is the same thought as many others. I have the feeling, and that is my humble opinion again, that they are being just greed.

I have the patience of a monk. Let's wait and see what happens.

The A4 Can handle Siri. The beta is only on the 4S because the 4S is the most suitable iPhone for siri IN THE BETA the Beta iOS 5 software was 1.13 GB its only 700 or something like that because they compressed things and alowed files when needed to be downloaded over the air. The A5 was a major improvment in GRAPHICS and Multitasking processing speeds were almost the same if u actully were to look siri does not require much data or processing siri requiers an internet connection because its not your phone processing it your phone only serches things on maps makes notifactions it does not procces what u say that is an apple server that processes that. Siri is not going away it will take time to complete thats y untill the beta is over (by that time the iPhone 5 will be out) it is exvclusivly on the 4S because its not a small feture its amazing.

myktux wrote:

To stay silent is, again in my humble opinion, just unrespectful. And I have the clue that they are doing that just to make as many users as possible to get the new phone. Again, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence#Technical_or_functional_obsole scence

Apple has explained what they are doing, they have said that Siri is a Beta and is only avaiable on one device at the moment.

This is enough information that we can see that it may come to other products, and that they are working on it.

As much as I hate Apple's lack of information, and not responding to actual problems (antenna issues on the iPhone 4 were an actual issue), in this case they really have no need to say more IMHO.

They have not removed any features on iP4, they have not created a new finished app.

And as for the article, again we're talking about a beta peice of software that has been in the wild for less then 5 months.

Apple has told you why it is on one phone model only.... IT IS BETA.

If you didn't get that then here it is again, it is unfinished.

It is not fully functional, it is still being tested.

Saying that Apple wants people to buy the new phone is common buisness sense.

Do you fight for a pay rise each year? If you can live off what you have then doesn't that make you greedy for wanting more? (If you can't afford to live off your current income and have bought an iPhone then I suggest you get some real help with budgeting.)

Apple isn't the biggest phone company, it isn't the biggest computer company, it isn't the biggest OS developer.

But they want to be.

Is that greed, or is it just great economic sense?

If Apple had just straight out said they are NOT allowing siri on older devices (there is no official report or press release), or if it was a FINISHED bit of software then it might be said they are greedy.

At the moment calling them greedy is, to me, actually showing that YOU are greedy; you want something, and you want it now. You can't wait till it is properly tested and developed, you suddenly think your phone is worth less, and that it is not as good as it was 5 months ago. You are jumping to conclusions that Apple has somehow planned to make your iPhone no longer desireable, or updatable.

myktux wrote:

I have the patience of a monk. Let's wait and see what happens.

All this "exposing of thoughts" might seem like an over reaction in a years time:

Apple References Siri Dictation On iPod touch And iPad In Latest iOS 5.1 Beta

You are trying to minimize my ideas and points of view saying I am "greedy", or that I may need "help with budgeting". That is offensive. I don't think this is a polite and a propper civilized way to discuss any topic here or anywhere else in the world. Please, pay some respect to everybody reading this thread and do not offend anyone, including me. Try to limit the comments to the subject in hand, and that is Siri on the iPhone 4.

I respect your point of view but for me, IMHO, "beta" is an excuse. I have used Gmail beta for years. Even the OS X Lion is somehow a beta piece of software. Many close developers said to me that "it has so many flaws and bugs at the moment that they are just not willing to fight with", meaning that they are delaying software releases until some of the major bugs get fixed. Specially bugs related to the core of the display management that has changed from the Snow Leopard implementation. So, there is a lot "beta" software that is usable software.

I have been using computers for more than 25 years and I am used to get new software upgrades on a regular basis, while my hardware usually lasts for 5 years or more. That is the point. And software upgrades has been on iPhone since the begining. That is why iOS is a customized version of OS X. The entire concept is beautiful. And I am willing to pay for Siri as a service or a software upgrade. Read my previous posts. What I think is outrageous is to do a hardware upgrade because of a software or service need.

Apple did not confirm that Siri will be ported in the future to iPhone 4 and that, again IMHO, is disappointing. Just that.

myktux wrote:

I have been using computers for more than 25 years

I've been using computers for more than 43 years. You are welcome to provide any feedback you like to Apple. You are welcome to moan as much as you want here. The difference is that the first option communicates with Apple, and might have some tiny effect. The second option which you are currently enjoying does not penetrate Apple, and can have no effect.

myktux wrote:

You are trying to minimize my ideas and points of view saying I am "greedy", or that I may need "help with budgeting". That is offensive. I don't think this is a polite and a propper civilized way to discuss any topic here or anywhere else in the world. Please, pay some respect to everybody reading this thread and do not offend anyone, including me. Try to limit the comments to the subject in hand, and that is Siri on the iPhone 4.

I just felt that it was the pot calling the kettle black.

If you can call someone greedy then so can others call it.

I was still on topic; discussing if / why Siri will / will not be on iPhone 4.

I respect your point of view but for me, IMHO, "beta" is an excuse... there is a lot "beta" software that is usable software.

Yeah there is, and there is plenty of beta software that is not.

Again, there is plenty of critism of Siri on these forums.

I imagine if Siri was out on all iOS devices, or just the iPhone 4 & 4s then there would be more moaning over any problems it had, and why is not on the iPad2.

If you had to pay for Siri on the iPhone 4 then you can bet these forums would be full of more moaning of "why do we have to pay?".

Really Apple cannot win with everyone.

First world problems indeed.

I would love Siri on my iPhone 4, I actually think it's cool tech and would probably pay for it too.

But I won't pay for Beta software, and I am willig to just wait and see.

I guess Apple made a mistake even giving Siri to iPhone 4s users.

They should just stick to only letting developers use beta software IMHO.

It would save Apple forums being full of people moaning that it doesn't work well, and those that don't have it from moaning they want it.

Matrix X2,

No. It can only be used on the iPhone 4S. The iOS 5 does not support it, only comes with the iPhone 4S.

Voice recognition systems are not flaw proof technology in the entire world. There is no mature fail proof solution yet. But the fact that the technology is not mature does not mean that all the implementations are beta.

Beta software are released for developers or at least to advanced users first.

Siri is no beta. As others have stated, Siri is a selling point. A great new user interface.

From the technical point of view, there is no reason for it to be restricted to iPhone 4S users. And that is odd.

myktux wrote:

From the technical point of view, there is no reason for it to be restricted to iPhone 4S users. And that is odd.

I beg to differ. There is an excellent reason to restrict it to a relatively small number of users - it is almost entirely server based, which means that even for 8 million 4S users a massive infrastructure is required. And even with only 8 million users it sometimes gets bogged down and stops responding. Can you imagine what the performance might be if 10 times that number of users start hitting the server?

It is also a beta for a legitimate reason - it needs a huge database of voice samples to improve the quality of its speaker-independent recognition. Releasing it as a beta allows the collection of those samples.

This is my field, and I am very impressed with what Apple and Nuance have accomplished with Siri. Unfortunately, the average user has no idea how hard speech recognition really is.

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Well said Lawrence... agreed on all points.

Unfortunately, the average user has no idea how hard speech recognition really is..

The average user has no idea how hard anything technical is but that's not really the problem... the problem is they think they do, thus all the whining and complaining about almost everything that doesnt' suit "them".

Lawrence Finch wrote:

There is an excellent reason to restrict it to a relatively small number of users - it is almost entirely server based, which means that even for 8 million 4S users a massive infrastructure is required.

I'm not in this field, but I can see this is a legitimate reason for having a small controlled user group.

Not to mention they had an idea how it would grow based on previous iPhone releases.

But it seems no matter how many ways to explain this (I had said similar many times) there will always be people who don't get it.

And as I said before, Apple would have people complain whatever they do.

I think it suck's that apple are actually using siri ( a beta software) as the selling point of the iphone 4s , i think it was rushed out to keep up with the galaxy s2 higher spec camera . besides siri ran on the iphone 4 before it did the 4s, so if apple wanted it to work with the 4, and ipad 2 it would not be hard to do as it was designed on there platform and ios .

personally wont buy a 4s or take one on contract, would rather keep the i4 and use the wife's s2 for camera function as the i4s camera don't come close to it !

just hope the ip5 has some wow factor to it , instead of looking like its older brother with a revised camera.

I think you would find that the Siri now on the iPhone 4S is considerably more than the Siri App available beforehand. (For instance: were the developers of that Siri, excellent though it was, prepared to supply the service for every iPhone user in the world? How many hectares of server farms did they set up?)

If you want a decent camera, buy a decent camera, not a phone.

Ok, let's ask "Apple" then why they left all this people to SELL Siri servises with un-official servers for 20$ - 1 month!!! omg

And you simple just say that it is Beta? They can't let us use it because needs a lot of Server process, communicates all the time with informations (Personal informations) like just simple terminal to server... Voice recongition just send commands to server and reply. It is nice tool but it is like the internet... before 1998 how many IRC servers was online? How many Communication tools / apps we have now?

All that i want to say is that... give them some time... they will release it.

By the way works to 3GS too 😉

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