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Re: Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

... I went back to Snow Leopard (for that amongst other reasons).

Wow, was that a relief, by the way. Never really appreciated how good it was till I nearly lost it!

As someone who really wanted to love Lion -- I downloaded and installed it on my Air the very first day it became available, and chucked it three weeks later after my fried Air finally was returned to me -- I have to say the same thing. I came back to Snow Leopard reluctantly, but after reinstalling and using SL attentively, the relief I experience not having to futz over this and that and make allowances for this and for that has been palpable.

So far, the only compelling case for its existence is iCloud, and it's not for me. I like more personal control over my data.

As for Keating's continuing verbal assaults on anyone who dissents with him/her, these Forums are not the only place people have expressed concerns about Lion. It's rated 3.5 stars in the Apple Store. When I see a 3.5 star-rated app in MacUpdate, I skip it unless there is a really compelling reason why I must get it (like, there's no other option available). Most knowledgeable users do. On the other hand, some people are experiencing faster speeds with Lion -- no substantiation on that count so far, but it's possible and besides, totally subjective in terms of use -- so to each his or her own. I'm happy for you, because reinstalling Snow Leopard after Lion messes with your file structures is no fun.

I'm really eager to see what's next after Lion. That will be the telltale whether Apple is still in computers or whether it's become a consumer electronics firm. If the latter, I hope it will spin off a heavy-user division. (Are you reading this, Tim Cook?)

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8), Apple User Since 1981

Posted on Oct 12, 2011 3:22 PM

40 replies

Oct 14, 2011 6:44 AM in response to Tom in London

Oh- now I get it. I installed the update and it splashed this thing in my face about signing up for iCloud with my Apple ID.

So unless the user inputs their Apple ID they're safe.

Phew !

Oct 14, 2011 8:52 AM in response to Michelasso

Sorry for the Off Topic, but is anyone else having problems with this thread today? I am receiving the updates via email, but then they don't show in the web.

It happened before and they reappeared after I posted a new message. Let's see now.

EDIT: yes, and now after posting all new messages appeared again. What the... ? 😮

Oct 14, 2011 8:56 AM in response to Tom in London

Tom in London wrote:

Oh- now I get it. I installed the update and it splashed this thing in my face about signing up for iCloud with my Apple ID.

So unless the user inputs their Apple ID they're safe.

Not just that. After authenticating you would be taken to the configuration steps to enable few things. I imagine that if you cancel before the last confirmation iCloud won't be enabled.

Anyway, yes. It is safe. Just don't authenticate and iCloud will do nothing. It couldn't be otherwise.

Oct 14, 2011 9:03 AM in response to Michelasso

All right, thanks Softwater. I was afraid something was wrong with my Safari configuration. The last coule of days have been just a mess (server wise. Lion is running better than ever!! 😁).

Oct 14, 2011 9:49 AM in response to Michelasso

Michelasso wrote:

Kittenmommy wrote:

UK-Max wrote:

In fact that doesn't happen. I tried it with 'Contacts' having first copied my contacts book elsewhere in case it was deleted. It wasn't. I think the dialogue box is misleading. Items, it seems, aren't removed from your Mac as threatened, but simply removed from the iCloud process of continuous update to other devices.

Good to know. Thanks! ➕

I am afraid that is not totally correct. If one chooses the option to remove the contacts from the Mac, they are gone (locally). To get them back one must resynch with iCloud enabling the contacts again.

I should've known!

Nice of Apple to warn us about this stuff before we sign into iCloud, right? 😠

Oct 14, 2011 9:50 AM in response to Csound1

Csound1 wrote:

Tom in London wrote:

OK I'd like some advice from you folks.

I haven't installed the Lion update yet but these posts are causing me some concern.

I don't want to have anything to do with the Cloud, but apparently there's something deceptive about the update installation process that tricks you into sending all your stuff into the Cloud.

How do I install the update but NOT sending anything to the Cloud?

You can select what you sync to the web:

If you don't want your documents and other data uploaded don't check the box.

Unfortunately, Apple doesn't warn you that if you check the box, you'll never be able to remove your stuff from the Cloud unless you also want to remove it from your computer. Once the box is checked, it's too late.

Csound1

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Oct 14, 2011 10:22 AM in response to Kittenmommy

Kittenmommy wrote:

Csound1 wrote:

Tom in London wrote:

OK I'd like some advice from you folks.

I haven't installed the Lion update yet but these posts are causing me some concern.

I don't want to have anything to do with the Cloud, but apparently there's something deceptive about the update installation process that tricks you into sending all your stuff into the Cloud.

How do I install the update but NOT sending anything to the Cloud?

You can select what you sync to the web:

If you don't want your documents and other data uploaded don't check the box.

Unfortunately, Apple doesn't warn you that if you check the box, you'll never be able to remove your stuff from the Cloud unless you also want to remove it from your computer. Once the box is checked, it's too late.

If you rush in without a backup maybe, but that's not you, right?

Oct 14, 2011 1:17 PM in response to Csound1

Csound1 wrote:

Unfortunately, Apple doesn't warn you that if you check the box, you'll never be able to remove your stuff from the Cloud unless you also want to remove it from your computer. Once the box is checked, it's too late.

If you rush in without a backup maybe, but that's not you, right?

That's not the point. The data still will be in iCloud anyway so a backup is not needed. But the point is that one may want to close the iCloud account and instead iCloud offers the option only to remove the data locally. Basically it is a (nasty) take over and that is something I despised as soon as I discovered about it.

Oct 14, 2011 1:33 PM in response to Michelasso

So how can one sync their contact information now in Lion and other non Lion but Mac computers? Also since I am only "tied" because I use me as an alternative but now major email address would I still be able to get to that email address thru a computer with only 10.4.11?

ScotMij

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Oct 14, 2011 2:03 PM in response to Csound1

Is this another topic with missing posts?

Edit: The missing posts have now appeared for me.

Oct 14, 2011 2:08 PM in response to Kim D M Simmons

I am new to the @me.com accounts, Kim. But technically they are IMAP accounts. You may need to know the server the account resides (mine for example is p02-imap.mail.me.com). Then create a new IMAP account in 10.4.11 and copy the configuration from Lion.

Actually I just made it working in Windows (without using iCloud):

For IMAP use:

<youraccount>@me.com

IMAP port 993

SSL

server: <your server>-imap.me.com

For SMTP use:

<youraccount>@me.com/password

SMTP port 25

No encryption (no SSL)

server: <your server>-smtp.me.com

But I am sure there will be plenty of explanations in Internet, if not from Apple itself.

putnik

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Oct 14, 2011 2:25 PM in response to Kittenmommy

Unfortunately, Apple doesn't warn you that if you check the box, you'll never be able to remove your stuff from the Cloud unless you also want to remove it from your computer. Once the box is checked, it's too late.

This not true. You can delete the data in iCloud if you want. But make sure it is all backed up on the computer first.

eg:

Contacts File>Export>Archive

Calendars File>Export>Export (for each one)

Files Copy to a backup folder

Note: iCloud Calendar insists on at least one calendar, so create an empty one and then delete the other.

You can then create calendars on the computer "On my Mac" (which are not synced to iCloud) and import the events from the backup .ics files.

Oct 14, 2011 3:01 PM in response to ScotMij

ScotMij wrote:

Is this another topic with missing posts?

Edit: The missing posts have now appeared for me.

Yeah, it is a mess. They re-appear after posting something.

Bob Jacobson Author

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Oct 14, 2011 3:55 PM in response to Kim D M Simmons

So how can one sync their contact information now in Lion and other non Lion but Mac computers? Also since I am only "tied" because I use me as an alternative but now major email address would I still be able to get to that email address thru a computer with only 10.4.11?

Try Synk or Chronosynch, both available on MacUpdate or in the Apple Store.

Csound1

Level 9

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Oct 14, 2011 4:19 PM in response to Bob Jacobson

Bob Jacobson wrote:

So how can one sync their contact information now in Lion and other non Lion but Mac computers? Also since I am only "tied" because I use me as an alternative but now major email address would I still be able to get to that email address thru a computer with only 10.4.11?

Try Synk or Chronosynch, both available on MacUpdate or in the Apple Store.

Synk & Chronsynch are file/folder sync machines, you could not use them to keep various address books on different machines synchronized.

They will not do what the OP wants.

Re: Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?