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ds store, you are being silly now

I'm just getting started :P



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ds store:

I don't think you were being silly, that was a legitimate concern. After all, anyone can come on here and deceive people by being a shill for some company. I actually thought of adding a disclaimer in my last post.

Now with the cafepress shirt, THAT was silly.

I love and use SuperDuper! often. And just so you don't accuse me, ds store, I am not affiliated with SuperDuper! either. As for your remarks about SuperDuper!:

Superduper - interface a bit confusing, calls home (potential security risk), limited schedualing, free for basic cloning, costs for more options, decent forum help.

"Interface a bit confusing"- are you actually serious? SuperDuper! has one of the easiest interfaces imageinable. It tells you what is going to happen in extremely easy terms. You select the source and target and click Copy Now. By the way, it stores your Source and Home so really you only have to click Copy Now. confusing...really?

"Calls home" - this is just to make sure you are running the latest version. Many users would forget to update if this wasn't a feature. I highly doubt its a "security risk"

"Limited Scheduling"- Not really true. You can have it update daily, weekly, monthly and at anytime.

"free for basic cloning, costs for more options" - As far as I know Retrospect and Deja Vu cost money. Carbon Copy Cloner is free, but then you can't do incremental backups. Is an extra few bucks really alot to get the advanced features...especially when Retrospect and Deja Vu are considerably more expensive.

Hope this clears up the statements made about SuperDuper! to any other posters who are looking for an easy back up solution.

SuperDuper! has one of the easiest interfaces imageinable. It tells you what is going to happen in extremely easy terms

That's it's problem, there isn't a need to get complicated and having to explain anything at all. The interface approach and slightly confusing terminology is responsible and makes it so a explaination is required.

Deja Vu's motto is "Effortless Backups: You've got better things to do."

Right they are, Deja Vu won the ease of use interface long before Superduper even copied it's features.


Calls home" - this is just to make sure you are running the latest version

It's a security risk for any program that runs as root to be making unknown internet connections. Or did folks all of a sudden forget about the Sony rootkit fiasco?

Email noticifations or timed pop-up windows (without links which can be faked) asking to check for updates is perfectly acceptable. Not everytime one runs the program, that's a invasion of privacy to say the least.

Imagine a malicious programmer slightly altering the code of a program like Superduper with another program like a Unsanity APE module.

Is Superduper calling home? Or is it opening a port and sending your admin password to some hacker in China? How would you know the difference?



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Limited Scheduling"- Not really true. You can have it update daily, weekly, monthly and at anytime

Was't in the first version of Superduper, Deja Vu had it long ago and has more control.

..especially when Retrospect and Deja Vu are considerably more expensive.

One can try Deja Vu for 30 free launches, with all the features, and then if they like it they can pay the registration fee and it's $25, not "considerable" by a long shot.

The benefit that it runs as a locked System Preference pane, does it's thing even when logged out over a network, makes it worth the small extra price in my opinion.

(no comp of course, just comparing software)

I don't think you were being silly, that was a legitimate concern. After all, anyone can come on here and deceive people by being a shill for some company. I actually thought of adding a disclaimer in my last post.

It was a legitimate concern, it gets quite annoying that the "only" solution is from one the shills get paid to promote. Maybe that's why Apple made the rule, to let the unwary know that misinformation is alive and well on these forums. 🙂

I try to be balanced, but forced to recommend another product because of all the shills for Superduper...

Now with the cafepress shirt, THAT was silly

Yes it was. What would even be sillier is if I sent one to a certain developer... :P

ds store

One can try Deja Vu for 30 free launches, with all
the features, and then if they like it they can pay
the registration fee and it's $25, not "considerable"
by a long shot.

While SuperDuper! is up to $27. Only $15 or $20 when I got it. But he did have a recent upgrade for free. I've often stopped using programs and gone to something different when forced to pay for an upgrade.

If it wasn't already paid for I'd give Deja Vu a try but no need for it now. And did I mention SD'd support...?

But as far as choosing between the two price really isn't an issue. And for a single user Retrospect is only $29.99, so that one isn't really an issue either. From what Dr. Smoke has said it soulds like Retrospect is the better deal.

But I won't be changing anytime soon.

"I try to be balanced, but forced to recommend another product because of all the shills for Superduper..."

Come on, ds, don't you think people can recommend something from experience without being a shill? I am a little old lady in NH, I wish I were getting paid to shill...

I wonder why you are so vehemently against SD? What's your ax? I really am offended that because I take the trouble to respond to a question with an honest answer, you think I'm shilling. I'm perfectly happy to give you my email and to convince you that I have absolutely no interest in SD ( or any other product, for that matter) other than that of a very satisfied user.

Would you recommend buying a Dell just because there are so many people on this forum who "shill" for Apple?

Why don't you accept that people have had different experiences, and some people really feel SD is a superior product and will say so when asked.

Miriam


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Well said Miriam, well said. I too was offended that ds store considered my honest opinion of how great SD was shilling. I have had nothing but great experiences with this software and will continue to support it.

When I post I try to help other people...in this situation mainly someone looking for great backup software. I do not appreciate it at all how adamantly you oppose SD, nor do I know why. When a person gives a report about software to help another person you should not ridicule the person.

These discussion boards are here to help people with problems they have about they're computer or give advice, not to make personal attacks on people.

Anyone who reads this and is interested in a comprehensive, easy-to-use backup software should greatly consider SuperDuper!

Up to $27 now?

Might have had to hire support people to answer all the problem questions.

You see the problem I see with Superduper is it tries to do to much in a confusing manner, it gives the newbie the chance to screw things up.

Look at this in a new window

here

Ok the purpose of this was to attempt to reduce the cloning time, because the first version of SD didn't have a schedualing option.

This is very confusing to the new person, what's a "safety clone"? And the list goes on of course. So the lay person is stuck having to learn all this terminology just to clone their boot drive?

When your auto-cloning with Deja Vu who cares about how long it takes? The most important thing is to copy the entire drive, so you catch things you might have missed or is done in the background. No room for error.

Sure a option to update only the difference between the drives is called for, but not a whole paragraph of why, what and how's. Which leads to confusion.

I cannot recommend Superduper as a easy to use cloning software because I beleive it's not a good choice for newbies.

Deja Vu is a heck of a lot more easy to use and straight to the point.

Example:

Clone drive A to B every Saturday at 6PM, update only

Copy Folder X to Y every night at 5PM, update only

There's nothing to learn, nothing to figure out. There's no wondering if one really has everything they should have, finding out later when their original boot drive has died that they indeed have been using superduper wrong all along, requiring, yep, a call to the developer to fix things.

There was a person who forgot to enable "Make bootable" in Carbon Copy Cloners preferences once, when their boot drive died, they were upset with me because I forgot this little detail. Luckily the situation was quickly remedied by contacting the developer of CCC and entering a few lines in the terminal.

When people follow your advice, you have to be pretty detailed because people are following your words step by step. You have to plan their actions a head of time and look for potential mistakes that could occur.

So I can't recommend SD as a easy to use cloning software, because of what I beieve is it's high potential for user error.

I have been using Mac's ever since they came out, managed entire roomfuls of production Mac's for a major newspaper and dealt with hundreds of issues.

My machines always worked, I never had downtimes lasting any longer than a few minutes, the newspaper was never held up on a account of the Mac's I managed.

I set up several newbies on Macs a year, their machines always work, I only see them once a year. I don't even need to SSH in.

My opinions about certain software is based upon my lifelong experience and I resent anything else to the contrary.

Since there is nothing more to say, cheers 🙂

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"My opinions about certain software is based upon my lifelong experience and I resent anything else to the contrary."

Gee, ds, isn't it interesting that your resent anything to the contrary, but feel perfectly free to impugn other people's motives! I have been using Apples since 1979 and I recommend them to everyone. I must be a shill.

Tell me, why are you so vehement in your support of DejaVu? Am I to infer that you might be influenced by something other than experience, as you imply for me?

It would be nice if you would apologize for your slurs, but I doubt that you will, it's too easy just to accuse people and then run and hide.

Miriam

I really don't see how you think SD is so difficult and hard to use. Maybe you have adamantly supported Deja Vu for so long that you have become blind to the other easy to use options out there. I'm not sure, but you should be careful because you actions are causing damage.

You are making posters think that the ONLY solution is your solution, Deja Vu. This is just plain wrong and you really need to watch what you say. Like Miriam, it interests me that you so blatantly accused Miriam and me of shilling or working for SuperDuper, but clearly, you have some invested interested in Deja Vu.

Furthermore, the picture you posted was completely irrelevent. There are four options when you clone with SuperDuper. Sandbox, which has two options, and then "Backup- all files" & "Backup- user files". I'm pretty sure that the "lay man" could distinguish between "sandbox" and "Backup- all files."

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if he doesn't know what "sandbox" is, and he wants to backup all his files...well BINGO...he picks "backup- all files". You just picked a screen shot that showed what an advanced would use i.e sandboxes...not a "lay man"


As Miriam stated, you will probably not respond to our posts, which is fine..it is for the better.

I just want to set the record straight.
- SuperDuper is a wonderful, easy-to-use backup system that will thrill any use.
-It is as easy or easier to use than Deja Vu.

-Abe-

Hey Bruce -
Do you think your question has been answered? 🙂
Miriam