There is no "save as" in the Lion pages.

Thanks for the info. there is no way in **** I would have figured that out.

Apple had a touch of arrogance even when they were a year away from closing... NOW they'll listen to NO ONE!!! Then again QuarkXPress was on top, and acted with supreme arrogence..... look at them now!! People WILL NOT use Quark anymore specifically BECAUSE of that attitude. Hope someone at Apple learns.

Apple may be thinking it can do no wrong right now.

That usually just precedes a great fall.

However as H. L. Mencken famously said:

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

Peter

"Everyone is loving it?" Then why are there even comments about it.... could it be "NOT everybody?" "They are WRONG??"

I'm one of the people that love it. It really isn't a huge difference for me. Actually, since OS X Lion I don't save documents much. I let Auto Save save my unsaved documents. When I don't want them, I just close them and they're gone. Occasionally I save a document if I want to keep it. Even more rarely will I duplicate a document and then worry about saving it. But then you probably use Save As in a different way than I do, so that's understandable.

The comments here don't prove a majority don't like The New Way. People don't usually say they like something, only that they don't.

Another annoyed and loyal Apple user. Please please please bring back "save as" to Pages etc...it is an extra step to Duplicate/Save. We use Pages for estimates, invoices, letters, and "save as" to create new for existing clients and new. Don't need a template since they are all different. Big inconvenience.

Apple got a lot of complaints from new Pages users because they lost documents because they thought Pages would autosave like Word does. Apple's solution, which I don't really like myself, is to make autosave a system wide enhancement in Lion.

So now you know.

Adam

Except this does nothing to help those users, and in fact makes life even more confusing for them.

They think they are safe when they aren't. They only find out when it is too late that there is NO autosave until they have saved themselves, the very thing they never do.

Typically I hear a lot of mouthed excuses and rephrasing of Apple's rather unbelievable explanations.

Who is actually looking at the users struggling with this? The mere fact that there are a large number of people who have no idea of what is going on, so have no complaints, is not a vote for the system. There are a lot of people totally lost at the disappearance of something they relied on and a many others who can clearly state, step by step the awkward, tedious and error prone method Apple has forced on users.

If you like this method nobody is going to stop you, but if you don't like it why must you be forced to accept it?

I suppose there must have been someone in the Polish ghettoes who said "I rather like these large yellow stars of David sewn on my jacket and I've never really wanted to go outside the walls they have built around us…"

Peter

What a comparison. Buy Words if you are so unhappy. The people at that time were not allowed to get out, you can, so do it. There're no machine guns aiming at you.

I totally agree with you Peter. It is an antequated way to remedy something, and does nothing to actually help the newbies. It is far easier to learn 2 key strokes ie: Cmd+S and Shift+Cmd+S. I have used those for years and it is easy to remember once you get in the habit.

You'd think they would add an "option" in Pages preferences to allow AutoSave, but no, they can't let us have that much control.

Imagine, enable autosave and just keep typing.

Disable autosave and those of us that use shortcuts can have Save As back.

Best of both worlds.

Adam

I will never use Word. In fact I have NO MS software on my computer.

I am fortunate? to have a MB1,1 so I can not run Lion and so I can keep Save As.

Adam

ckuan wrote:

What a comparison. Buy Words if you are so unhappy. The people at that time were not allowed to get out, you can, so do it. There're no machine guns aiming at you.

You don't understand, I was just pointing out the absurd situation that there is always someone "making the best of a bad situation". No matter how bad.

Yes you are free to switch until what you have switched to also copies the bad idea. Take a look where Ubuntu and W8 are heading. Frankly I'd rather stick with Apple, if they'd only stop p!issing in the soup.

Well, since 1985 I was using Windows and I stopped completely in 2009. I was a power user who built customized PC and was a lead developer in a large software company. Even then I used more Borland stuff than MS development tools.

I think they're pros and cons to every features. Personally I have no problem with this Save As or Not since I have a backup anyway. I do like where Apple is heading and quite a happy user. As a developer, I agreed with what Adam said about giving user an option but also being a developer I know it's easy just to make users happy. (That's what MS is doing and in the end you got hundreds of ways doing the same thing). To quote the late Steve Jobs, it about saying no that's is the hardest part.

I got your point, still I think it was bad. As a user, you can vote with your money or be a developer and write your own. This is how the free market works.

…or stop being sheep and simply tell Apple when they get it wrong, which they often do.

The "free" market is far from free, especially with large installed bases of software.

In this case as Apple has built this into their frameworks, the developer will struggle to give the user what they want and will end up being an isolate, as the system will still be controlled by Apple.

Apple is approaching the Big Brother of Nineteen Eighty Four that they told us they would save us from. They will be ratcheting up their control of software another notch in Mountain Lion, with more to come after that. Being run over by a steamroller is a slow but ultimately painful experience. People's attention span being what it is, they ignore it till it is too late.

Peter

You're so dramatic. It's just a tool. Maybe you should switch before it's too late for you. 😀