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In iTunes Match, why are Smart Playlists messed up?

Two REAL problems I notice with iTunes Match:


1. Any Smart Playlist that refers to another playlist will not upload to iCloud. That is COMPLETELY ABSURD!!! I have many smart playlists that use "builder" lists to help refine what they contain. Makes me want my money back.


2. Limits to playlists, such as "Limit to 40 lest recently played items" are not honered. When viewed on the iOS device, the full playlist is shown, not the one limited. I use this for a number of reasons, not repeating, not playing too often, etc. Why is this configured that way?


All this said, there is a possibility I am doing something wrong. If anyone knows better, please advise.


Kevin

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.2)

Posted on Nov 14, 2011 12:58 PM

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Nov 19, 2011 11:22 AM in response to hoffmanFamily4

Avoid iTunes Match at this point because of this issue. I created an "Adele" playlist on my iPad a couple of days ago. Today, I noticed that this playlist had replicated itself over six thousand times! I was not able to delete these empty playlists as they propogated to all of my connected devices (iPhone, iPad, MacBook).

My only working solution was to turn off iTunes Match, and restore my devices by setting them up as new. Major pain in the ....

Anyway, until Apple resets the Match server and fixes this issue, it is totally unusable. I'm a developer, and participated in the beta for this product. Apple really should have not released this unstable product.

Nov 19, 2011 6:34 PM in response to hoffmanFamily4

To be completely fair, Apple has introduced a couple features in the smart playlist that removed my need to build nested playlists. I'm not saying that nested playlists are not needed but there are 'new' features that let me build a playlist without the need to reference another playlist. One of those features are "rules". As someone earlier suggested, rules let you do two things. One, they let you create a subset of conditions that are treated as one single condition in the parent. The second thing they do is actually very powerful; the ability to "include".


One of the reasons I HAD to build nested playlists in the first place was because playlists were initially built by exclusion. Statements that contain "not" or "does not contain' conditional statements. For example, 'Genre is not Trance'. You could not build a playlist by including genres.


Apparently now you CAN use "rules" to include genres. So I can create a "Rock" smart playlist that has a subset rule that says "any of the follow are true"; "Genre is Rock, Genre is Metal, Genre is Hard Rock (or you could say Genre contains Rock).


In any event, with much effort, I rebuilt my playlists with the rule features which replaced my original playlists that referenced other playlists. The rebuilt playlists actually served the same function. Now all my playlists are iCloud compliant and they actually function very well in the iCloud. (Another useful feature is "media kind" which helped limit playlists to music only or any number of other types of media. This alone helped eliminate nested playlists)


Having said that, I'm NOT happy that I had to spend several hours rebuilting my playlists using the added features to become compliant to Apple's "way" of doing things. It's very reminicent of the iphone antenna "you're holding it wrong" issue. In the end, I now have the exact same playlists (albeit, the logic behind them was changed) and they are iCloud compliant. Granted, I haven't figured out how to make Genius playlists work yet.

Nov 20, 2011 6:56 PM in response to Michael Allbritton

Michael, unfortunately I'm in the same boat. While I rebuilt my playlists to be iCloud compliant, the iPhone/iPad music app apparently is not. I have playlists that are restricted to a particular MB size however on the iPhone/iPad they show ALL the songs within the playlist (ignoring the size limit on the playlist). They also do not follow the "media kind" condition because music videos are also showing up in the same playlist on my iPhone/iPad. The sliver lining is it does seem to work between my iMac and my MacBook Pro. I'm assuming that Apple will fix this issue on the iPad/Iphone in a future release.

Nov 21, 2011 5:11 AM in response to hoffmanFamily4

I'm glad this discussion has continued from my original post. There are many other similar threads here and hopefully apple is taking notice.


I have noticed several other very troubling things.


1. From my headset, I cannot start an iCloud playlist by saying "Play playlist XYZ." I did it post iOS5 with Siri perfectly fine before iTunes Match.


2. Play counts are not updating from my phone back to my iTunes since iTunes Match is enabled. Other threads said just give it time, I did and nothing.


3. When playing a playlist, when it hits a song that needs to be downloaded, it only works about 1/2 the time. Often it just stops playing.


4. The play/pause button on my headset needs to be clicked when playing a playlist off of iCloud and after a call finishes. This used to start playing again automatically.


I really don't want to give up on iTunes Match, but it's getting harder and harder to not recognize the offering for what it is, half-baked and rushed to market. Not very Apple-like.

Nov 21, 2011 8:19 PM in response to Rangeshooter

Thanks for your comments, Rangeshooter. After saying I wouldn't sign up until they changed the way smart playlists work, my desire for OTA syncing won out. I invested the time to alter my playlists. Everything isn't exactly the way I had it, although some things are actually improved through rethinking the process. So far, things have been working quite well. I'm syncing an iMac, a Mac Mini, an iPhone 4, and an iPhone 3G that I just use as a music player now. The smart playlists seem to be syncing correctly, and aside from a few hiccups everything is working smoothly.


I'm very glad I signed up for iTunes Match.

In iTunes Match, why are Smart Playlists messed up?

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