iMovie Vs Final Cut Express/pro and making$$$?

Sorry, another post from us (interchangeably Graeme or Leanne).

We have been making home movies with various versions of iMovie for about 5 years now and for the most part (except the bugs) love it. Recently we have decided to try and start using our filming and editing skills to earn some money in our spare time (not that we have much of that with two kids 3 and under...).
We have done a couple of weddings, baby movies and a little corporate function work so far and are just at the point of registering a business, domain name, buying better equipment etc - in other words, getting more serious. My question is as wannabe (semi) professionals, should we be making the effort to learn and use FCP or is it OK to keep using iMovie?
We do get a little frustrated occasionally with the limitations of iMovie but on the whole, it usually produces fantastic (and seemingly impressive) results to our clients. I guess we feel reluctant to learn a whole new complicated package when iMovie seems to be doing the trick. We just worry that maybe we're being lazy and not very professional by using such an 'off the shelf' consumer product.
In some ways, we think our filming and techniques and editing creativity are what's important and the editing software is just the tool that allows us to put it all together so we shouldn't be software snobs.

Are other people using iMovie to make money?

I would really appreciate any thoughts about this?

I think I have read posts in the past (by Karl possibly - to the effect that iMovie is not to be sneezed at...)

Sorry for the ramble,
Leanne
PS We do have a copy of FC Express by the way - just never used it because iMovie is always so invitingly easy every time we start a new project.

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Posted on Feb 6, 2006 5:41 AM

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Feb 6, 2006 6:10 AM in response to Graeme Wheaton

I TOO HAVE BEEN MAKING MOST OF MY MOVIES WITH IMOVIE AND HAVE IMPRESSED QUITE A FEW WITH THEM. I DID BUY SOME ADD-ON TRANSITIONS TO ENHANCE SOME OF IMOVIES. I ALSO HAVE FINAL CUT EXPRESS. THE LIVE-TYPE TITLE MAKING PROGRAM THAT COMES WITH THAT IS EXCELLENT. THE TITLES ONE MADE IN LIVE TYPE CAN ALSO BE USED IN IMOVIE. YOU CAN TAKE ALL YOUR MOVIES AND MOVE THEM INTO FINAL CUT EXPRESS AND ADD SOME TRANSITIONS. THERE ARE MANY MORE TRANSITIONS AND EFFECTS IN FINAL CUT EXPRESS. BUT I TOO FIND MYSELF SLIPPING BACK INTO IMOVIE BECAUSE I KNOW IS SO WELL, AND IT IS SO MUCH QUICKER FOR ME. BUT I KNOW IF I EVER WENT PROFESSIONAL IT WOULD BE MUST TO LEARN. I DO NOT DO ANYTHING PROFESSIONAL YET, AND AM NOT AN EXPERT IN ANYTHING, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. BUT SINCE YOU ARE GOING FURTHER WITH YOUR MOVIES I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MOVE ON UP TO FINAL CUT EXPRESS.

Feb 6, 2006 11:47 AM in response to Graeme Wheaton

I'd say if you're impressing clients and making money with iMovie then keep at it.

FCP and FCPX are terrific programs. I have FCP but am wondering if I really want to spend the now-required $700 to upgrade to the UB version.

I would say that if you plan on doing long-form programs that require multiple tapes and serious media management then you probably want to upgrade. But if what you're doing works then ride that horse as long as you can. You'll know when you HAVE to upgrade.

Cheers

Feb 6, 2006 5:54 PM in response to Graeme Wheaton

I would say if you are going to start a real business and charge money, step up to some real tools. iMovie is a great program but if you're going to start doing edits and re-edits you need the media management of a program like FCE or FCP. If you want this business to take off, take the time to improve your skill set, learn the other programs. Both you and your potential clients may be impressed with how much better your final product is.

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Feb 6, 2006 10:10 PM in response to Graeme Wheaton

If one intends to earn income from editing, FCP ( not iMovie nor FCPEXpress)is the only choice. Quite aside from various essential tools concerning color or transition control, FCP is the only way to capture video via time code. FCEX and iMovie cannot deal with time code. Time code is required to edit professionally. If you are not sure what time code is or how it is used in editing, I suggest you get your hands on some current manuals for movie editing. Editing of weddings etc will require log and capture, a technique dependent on time code.
One other comment: once you charge for editing, make sure you get and pay for license to use copyright protected audio (music), even those tunes played by CD during weddings and that end up on the audio tracks. The moment you edit audio with such material (unavoidable, unless your clients do not use music) you are using someone else's property for revenue. Also forget using material from iTunes. If you think you can get away with it, think again. And of course, you must use all aiff, 48kHz to include audio in professional editing applications. The iMovie forum is not the place to get advice about income generation processes, except quick comments like these. Go to the FCP Forum.

Feb 7, 2006 5:13 AM in response to poppijade

Thanks for the comments. They are appreciated. We do have a license to use music for weddings etc. There is a special one designed for commercial production of up to 20 copies for distribution to those featured in the movie. We live in Australia and this is available through APRA for anyone else interested.
Will think hard about the other comments re time code and FCP. I'm just not sure that 'more' is always more for most people. Just because we have the technology doesn't necessarily mean it has to be used....

Leanne

Feb 7, 2006 9:35 AM in response to Graeme Wheaton

I'm not a video professional so my opinion doesn't count for much. (Which won't stop me from expressing an opinion. :-))

I love simple tools. My bias is always to use the simplest tool I can find, if it does the job. I don't like spending days or weeks learning software, or having to re-learn it if I haven't used it for a while. I dislike the nuisance and the cost.

You see where I'm heading here...

But wait. That tool can't limit my imagination. It has to be able to deliver, create the stuff I want to create. It has to meet whatever demands I place on it, not get in the way.

Since I don't consider myself a particularly imaginative guy, it also has to inspire me. Show me what's possible. Help me discover what's out there that I can do.

(Great software is like seeing an Ansel Adams collection for the first time. It lets you see what is possible with a simple camera and a simple darkroom.)

David Babsky, perhaps one of the more creative and artistically sensitive people here, creates wonderful stuff with iMovie, as do many others. He doesn't seem limited by iMovie. He's probably a lot less limited than I am, for he's more creative.

Other people create great stuff too. I'm constantly amazed at the wonderful videos created by novice users. iMovie hands us the tools to make great-looking stuff. Even more so with iMovie 6's Themes.

If there's a bottom line, it may be this: The "best" tool is the one that works best for you. For users who revel in complexity -- who are perhaps inspired by it -- Final Cut warrants a good, hard look. If complexity just gets in your way and your creative juices aren't stymied by iMovie, its simplicity is wonderful.

One other thought: If iMovie doesn't offer a feature I need I can usually create it with QuickTime Pro. I recently needed to create video-over-video, not a feature offered by iMovie. It was a short video of a seated woman talking into the camera -- a talking head. I wanted a series of photos to fade in and out inside a small picture frame on the wall behind her. (The pictures were a kind of subplot which, as the talking head fades to black, reveal an inside joke.)

I built two iMovie projects, one containing the photos and one containing the talking head, exported each to a Full Quality DV movie, then using QuickTime Pro, "placed" the photos on the wall behind her. It worked perfectly. With simple tools.

It's a very subjective call. If the software inspires you and lets you do good work, it's the one to choose.

Karl

Feb 14, 2006 10:28 AM in response to Graeme Wheaton

Hi Graeme,

I don't earn money with making movies, but I worked a long time in some businesses using professional video tools (anyone remembering Wheel of Fortune?)...-

to add what Karl said:
it is not the tool, it is your imagination what sets the limits; there's one famous script writer over here in Germany (actually, he lives in Key West...), who writes his books by hand on a piece of paper; he has a (very) loyal assistent, who's the only one, able to read it and type into a computer.... good scripts, lame technique, but working fantastic.

is your imagination limited by iMovie?
yes and no.
doing "just" very simple docus (speech of boss/how-tos/scientific stuff/...), a voice over, some music - boom!done!
compared to pro products, you are limited of course!
esp. the audio features are very limited (try to place an audio accents on some voice-over+o-audio); a single video track is VERY limitation! (in case, you're using more then one camera simultanously, you're lost with iM); adding any "packaging" (lower thirds, tags, grafics, animations) you have to rely on add-ons/plug-ins.... hmmmm <shaking head>??

the filmmakers of the 60ies would had chop off a hand for iMovie; but doing business, you're in a sharks sea//meaning, you will be compared to others....

the learning curve of FCE is very high, but results are overwhelming; some very silly "eye candy" I like to use is "animation of Photoshop layers" - titles done with that look "like Hollywood" (<<no, they don't , not mine)......

again: "upgrading" to FC(E) means, you will start from the very beginning! if you use your iM habits in FCE your lost: I trashed a wedding movie project after 4 month of working... I believed I could handle import and clips as with iM - no, you don't :-/

my 5 c€nts

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Feb 14, 2006 11:41 AM in response to Hi-Rez

If you intend to incorporate still photography into a video, there are many more basic editing tools within FCP than iMovie/FCE. But DV in iMovie is the same as in FCP. However, yery basic processes such as color balance, b/w contrast, framing, and transitions as well as panning and scanning ( if desired) can all be easily controlled within FCP, for example. The ability to control sound, voice overs etc. etc. are quite powerful.
If you are serious about using video as a way to display or tell a story using still photography I suggest you consult locally with a local and experienced video editor. Photography generates resolution beyond the realm of video and uses a different "language" to measure. I've seen many a beautiful photo ruined by lack of understanding how to use video tools with still photography. On the other hand,there are many beautfully done videos that include photos that were professionally edited and managed to make best use of the depth inherent in a photo.

When one purchases an iTunes song, you actually purchase the use of the tune, not the song itself and you cannot use that tune for commercial /public purposes without a license from the actual and true owner. iTunes songs are sent to users not only encoded in a codec that FCP will not and cannot accept but also tagged or marked with a digital rights management flag. To work within FCP you must use audio at 48kHz, Aif , far from any of the Lossless or other apple provided codecs, including mp3. 48Khz is crucial for the "theatrical audio experience". However, all the QT based tools within the Apple family of applications (all of them) will not convert anything with the DRM flag to 48kHz Aif, but will of course convert anything without the DRM flag to 48khz, AIF . So, there is no problem unless of course one wants to steal some one else's work and display,play for the public , and/or get paid for the output.
From time to time, folks post a simple way to "escape" drm on the iMovie forum. iMovie is not a professional tool so as long as one does not show or display material to the public and/or get paid for the work that includes purchased iTunes songs (example) without necessary permission, there is no problem. End of rant.

Feb 15, 2006 10:43 AM in response to Graeme Wheaton

Well, I'm here to defend IMovie. I use IMovie for all my editing and recently started a business. I have all the GeeThree Slick plug-ins for IMovie and many friends who use FCP are very surprised by my results.
One of the favorite quotes from videography/editing pro's is “a good camera and a good computer guarantees a good video and edit”. The truth is that it's the insight, the creativity, the imagination of the camera person and the editor that make finished movies artistic and enjoyable to watch.

As for making money with IMovie, I'm doing it with no problem. I use IMovie5 and won't upgrade to IMovie6 because of the many bugs. I have FCP on my computer but unless I'm going to do a 2-3 camera wedding shoot I continue to use IMovie. The plug-ins are worth every penny and will make your IMovies look fantastic.

Here are some samples of my IMovies.
http://homepage.mac.com/richsheikh/Chalk%20La%20Strada/

http://homepage.mac.com/richsheikh/beingalive/

http://homepage.mac.com/richsheikh/Menu17.html

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