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I am going buggers trying to figure out how to get a refund for iTunes Match? I have already lost a few songs in my library, and itunes had to be reinstalled to get past it crashing repeatedly (64bit version). I love the idea of the product, but I have no desire to beat a buggy option into submission. lol. Perhaps in a year or so after it has been seasoned a bit I will give it a whirl again.
Thanks for the help!
Maybe it's because Apple sensed my cool vibe but, guess what? The system is now working for me! It's gathering info about the 24,000 track on my Drobo. I expect that this process will take several hours so, I'm off to the treadmill for a bit. Maybe I'll watch Grimm on iTunes or Borgia on Netflix - ho hum.
bukharin wrote:
I cannot believe how plugged into the whole "instant service" many posters seem to be. Come on people, you all know that this service is going to work at some point. Loads of the kinks in the US service seem to have been sorted out. Lay off the mouse button for a few hours! Have a hot toddie or cook a meal - chill! I paid my fee just like the rest of you. I frankly expected that it would be buying an iTunes album - refunds??? I think not.
Message was edited by: bukharin
I would counter that expecting a product to work after purchase is a natural expectation, and it stuns me that you would be so gracious about the matter? I am glad that it works for you, but as for me, my love for Apple products does not extend to the point where I gladly turn over hard earned money for such a flawed product. Good day to you.
We all WISH that what you say was the case hoever, many years of being an early adopter have taught all of us, I think, that everything may not go as planned. In any event, Out of my 25,000 tracks, there are about 1,000 left to be matched. I left home today and played music off the cloud! Pretty cool.
I understand your point, and I've actually called Apple a few times this week with my access issues - not so much to rant (because that really doesn't do anyone any good) but mainly to document my issues in case I need to escalate later. And also to offer suggestions on how to improve the service.
First off, we really aren't early adopters - you assume that this is like a piece of hardware with bugs and that will improve with firmware updates. But with a piece of hardware, be it an iPod or a Mac Mini, you OWN it. It's tangible and generally functions as is, regardless. But this is a service, not a piece of hardware. I would equate is more like a cable service. You are paying for a yearly subscription and once that subscription is up, the service is over. Granted, you do get Matched tracks if you are smart enough to download them in advance, but it's still primarily a service for most people - the ability to upload to iCloud and access your system from other iTunes devices or an iPod/iPad.
With that in mind, frequent outages like the ones I've seen all week imo should not be tolerated. Even this early in the game. What concerns me most is that their systems were already problematic but someone over there still decided that rolling this out to more countries was a good idea - imo, they should have stretched this out more to avoid more outages. As for those of us suffering right now, I wouldn't necessarily ask for a refund yet but imo Apple should be 1) giving their L1 reps a better idea about when these issues occur so as to at least alleviate call volume and 2) should at least consider a small credit (or maybe a service extension) of some kind for their Day One GA subscribers as a way of saying "we screwed up and here's our way of saying we're sorry".
I think something like that would go a long away as we wait patiently for them to stabilize their environment while the clock is ticking on our subscription. My two cents.
bukharin wrote:
you all know that this service is going to work at some point.
No we don't.
At the very least, with all the problems in the system, once Apple has the bugs worked out, they should extend people's one year contract so that it starts from the date the problems are resolved. If people pay for a year of service they should get a year of service, not however many months remain after months of troubleshooting and software updates that don't really fix things.
I hope everyone had a nice Holiday. Here is an update to my Quixote like quest to obtain a refund from Apple due to my dissatisfaction with their iMatch product.
Just to bring everyone up to speed, I had offered to take my refund in the form of "in store credits" so they could keep my money, and I in return, could actually get something that I could enjoy (music, movie, whatever). They were kind enough to give me four in store credits. After trying to get the iMatch product to work (one more time) and failing miserably (the service just turns itself off after a few minutes or so), I requested a refund again.
Much to my surprise, it looks like they are going to give me one. Here is the final note on this little saga.
Hi Rick,
My name is Stephanie and I am a Senior Advisor withiTunes Store Customer Support. I understand that you would like to cancel youriTunes Match subscription and receive a refund.
Please keep in mind that if you cancel your iTunes Matchsubscription, you will no longer have access to your matched or uploaded songsin your iCloud library. In addition, if you receive a refund, you will not beable to subscribe to iTunes Match again until a year from the refund date.
If you would still like to cancel, just reply to thisemail with the billing address and the last four digits of the credit card onthe account. If you do not have a credit card associated with your account, youwill need to provide the phone number listed on your account. Upon receivingyour response, Apple will verify your information, cancel your iTunes Matchsubscription and issue you a full refund for $24.99. You will receive an emailconfirmation in regards to any refund.
I look forward to your reply and resolving this matterfor you as soon as possible. Have a great day!
Sincerely,
Stephanie
Senior Advisor
iTunes Store/Mac App Store Customer Support
Please note: Please note: Mon, Wed-Fri 1:00 PM-11:30 PMEST OFF Sun, Tues, Sat
Larry,
Thank you for the in store credits, but I think there hasbeen some confusion. I-Match still doesnot work for me (does for short bursts), and I would either like my money backor in store credit for the full amount of imatch. Thank you.
This is getting absurd Larry, and I am starting to getvery angry about this whole mess. Pleaseescalate immediately.
-----Original Message-----
From: iTunes Store [mailto:iTunesStoreSupport@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:21 AM
To: rick.zimmerman@comcast.net
Subject: RE: iTunes Store; Follow-up: 179951215
Follow-Up: 179951215
Hello again,
I wanted to send a quick note to see if you are stillexperiencing any difficulties with the iTunes Store. Resolving your issue isimportant to me, so please don't hesitate to reply if you need any furtherassistance.
Sincerely,
Larry
iTunes Store Customer Support
Please Note: I work Sunday - Thursday, 8-4:30PM EST
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you.You may receive an AppleCare survey email; any feedback you provide would begreatly appreciated.
Hello Rick,
This is Larry again, from iTunes Store Customer Support.First and foremost, I would like to extend an apology for the delayed responseto your email.
iTunes Support endeavors to send a reply within 48 hours;however, due to new product releases and features for the iTunes Store we areexperiencing higher volumes than normal. We appreciate your patience andunderstanding.
Rick, I understand that iTunes Match, still isn'tfunctioning properly, again I would like to sincerely apologize for anyinconvenience that you may have experienced. I realize your concern regardingyour iTunes Store purchases functioning properly, and I am happy to assist.
Rick, for your inconvenience, I have issued 4 replacementsong credits to your account "rick.zimmerman@comcast.net",which you can use to buy the individual songs of your choice from the iTunesStore.
When you sign in to the iTunes Store with this account,the song credits will appear by your account name in the upper-right corner ofthe iTunes Store window. The next time you buy individual songs from the iTunesStore, your song credits will be used as payment until all credits have beenused or have expired. Please note that song credits are not able to be used forpurchasing songs that are listed as Album Only.
If you don't see the credits, choose Sign Out from theStore pull-down menu at the top. Then choose Sign In from the Store menu, enteryour account name and password, then click Sign In. Your song credits shouldnow appear next to your account name.
Rick, again sorry for the delayed response, please let meknow if you have any other questions or concerns. I'll be more than happy toassist you with whatever you need. Thank you for the chance to improve youriTunes experience and have a wonderful day.
Sincerely,
Larry
iTunes Store Customer Support
Please Note: I work Sunday - Thursday, 8-4:30PM EST
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you. Youmay receive an AppleCare survey email; any feedback you provide would begreatly appreciated.
Hi Larry!
Still not using that iMatch product as it effs up mymachines as soon as I turn it on. Howabout giving me an in store credit and just calling it a day? That way I don't feel like I just threw 25bucks in the toilet, and never do business with Apple again (in part because oftheir terrible product, and poor customer service). This way you get to keep my money (as we willpick up a song or two), and Apple gets to keep me as a customer.
If the answer is still no Larry, who over there can Iescalate this to?
Certainly there is someone in the building that rememberswhat good customer service and quality products mean?
Thanks Larry.
-----Original Message-----
From: iTunes Store [mailto:iTunesStoreSupport@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:04 PM
To: rick.zimmerman@comcast.net
Subject: RE: iTunes Store; Follow-up: 179951215
Hello Rick,
This is Larry again, from iTunes Store Customer Support.,I would like to apologize for the mix up.
Have a wonderful day.
Sincerely,
Larry
iTunes Store Customer Support
Please Note: I work Sunday - Thursday, 8-4:30PM EST
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you.You may receive an AppleCare survey email; any feedback you provide would begreatly appreciated.
Larry,
You sent this to me in error. Have a nice day!
Rick Zimmerman
-----Original Message-----
From: iTunes Store [mailto:iTunesStoreSupport@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:00 AM
To: rick.zimmerman@comcast.net
Subject: RE: iTunes Store; Follow-up: 179951215
Hello Sarah,
This is Larry, again with iTunes Customer Support. Iunderstand that the movie "Morning Glory", is not showing in your"My Purchases" link. Being a customer myself, I can understand yourconcern and look forward to you getting your movie back.
No worries, I have posted the item back to your account.
If you have a computer, please follow these steps todownload the item:
1) Make sure you're using the latest version of iTunes.It can be downloaded free of charge from the Apple website:
http://www.apple.com/itunes/download
Note: Installing the latest version of iTunes will notaffect your library or any items in your account that you haven't downloaded.
2) Open iTunes. From the Store menu at the top, chooseCheck for Available Downloads. You can also click this link to do the samething:
https://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZFinance.woa/wa/checkForPurchases
3) Enter your account name and password, then click theCheck button.
Sarah, the missing item should begin downloading andappear in your Purchased playlist. If you receive an error message whiledownloading, try again after turning off any firewall or web-acceleratorsoftware that you may have installed. If the download process is interruptedfor any reason, it should resume once you reopen iTunes.
This article provides information about resuminginterrupted downloads:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1725
If you don't see the item in your iTunes Library, pleaseinclude this information in your response to this email:
- The name of your Internet service provider (ISP)
- The type of Internet connection (such as dial-up, cablemodem, or DSL)
- Any troubleshooting steps you may have taken
- Any error messages you may have received
Sarah, unfortunately movies are available to for downloadthrough iCloud.
On behalf of iTunes Customer Support, Sarah, I would liketo extend our warmest thanks for the opportunity to help you today. Nothing is more important to us than ourcustomers, and to know that we have provided you with the excellent customerservice, that you deserve. Have a pleasant day!
Sincerely,
Larry
iTunes Store Customer Support
Please Note: I work Sunday - Thursday, 8-4:30PM EST
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you.You may receive an AppleCare survey email; any feedback you provide would begreatly appreciated.
Thank you for your note Larry, and NO nothing has beenresolved to my satisfaction. I havedisabled iMatch since it necessitated two reinstalls (immediately before Irequested a refund), and will not buy another of your products until my fundsfor this buggy software are returned. You can hide behind your terms all you want, but you sold an applicationto me that did NOT work (based on the forums, I am not the only one). You owe me a refund.
I have been more than patient with you folks, and scouredthe forums trying
to get this stupid thing to work. Too much work for something that should
have worked at inception.
Regards.
-----Original Message-----
From: iTunes Store [mailto:iTunesStoreSupport@apple.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:17 AM
To: rick.zimmerman@comcast.net
Subject: RE: iTunes Store; Follow-up: 179951215
Hello Rick,
Larry here again from iTunes Store Support. I hope youare having a fantastic day. First and foremost, I would like to extend anapology for the delayed response to your email. iTunes Support endeavors tosend a reply within 48 hours; however, due to new product releases and featuresfor the iTunes Store we are experiencing higher volumes than normal. Weappreciate your patience and understanding.
Rick, I wanted to touch base and ensure everything hasbeen resolved to your satisfaction.
As a valued member of the iTunes Store family, I didn'twant to leave you without any type of resolution.
I want your experience to be as enjoyable as possible. Ifyour issue has been resolved and you will like to close this request, or ifyour issue is still existing, please reply to this email.
It has been my extreme pleasure assisting you. Continueto enjoy your iTunes Store experience.
Have an extraordinary day, Rick!
Sincerely,
Larry
iTunes Store Customer Support
Please Note: I work Sunday - Thursday, 8-4:30PM EST
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you.You may receive an AppleCare survey email; any feedback you provide would begreatly appreciated.
Apple sold me a product that does not work as intended,and will not give me a refund? I will befiling a complaint with the BBB, and I will never EVER buy another product fromApple.
-----Original Message-----
From: iTunes Store [mailto:iTunesStoreSupport@apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:10 AM
To: rick.zimmerman@comcast.net
Subject: Re: iTunes Store; Follow-up: 179951215
Hello Rick,
This is Larry from iTunes Customer Support, and I will beassisting you today. I understand that iTunes Match does not work asadvertised, it repeatedly crashed your systems, and you would like a refund.
Rick, I would like to sincerely apologize for anyinconvenience that you may have experienced. I realize your concern regardingiTunes Match, functioning properly, and I am happy to assist.
Your request for a refund for "iTunes Match"was carefully considered; however, according to the iTunes Store Terms of Sale,all purchases made on the iTunes Store are final. This policy matches Apple'srefund policies and provides protection for copyrighted materials.
You can review the iTunes Store Terms of Sale for moreinformation:
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/sales.html
Rick, please let me know if you have any other questionsor concerns. I'll be more than happy to assist you with whatever you need.Thank you for the chance to improve your iTunes experience and have a wonderfulday.
Sincerely,
Larry
iTunes Store Customer Support
Please Note: I work Sunday - Thursday, 8-4:30PM EST
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you.You may receive an AppleCare survey email; any feedback you provide would begreatly appreciated.
First Name : Rick
Last Name : Zimmerman
Email : rick.zimmerman@comcast.net
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Pleaser refund the cost for iTunes match. It simply does not work as advertised, andrepeatedly crashed my systems (after locking them up and other issues). You need to work a bit more on thisproduct. Love the idea, not the currentproduct.
Hi,
Just to mention, from a legal standpoint, Apple's all sales are final policy just isn't going to cut it in a dispute. The fact of the matter is they have missold you a product by falsely advertising it. If you have a galnce through the Consumer Protection Act, you'll be able to find plenty of legal information that'd be very handy in raising a small claim against Apple. Although from the look of this board, maybe a class action would be better, haha.
Congratulations to you on recieving a refund from Apple. I have spent over a month trying to overcome their "All Sales Are Final" policy in regards to iTunes Match. Still no luck in my efforts to get Apple to do the right thing.
I am extermely disappointed that Apple seems to have lost any regard for customer satisfaction.
How do I get a refund for iTunes Match?
