Does Logic 9 does have a midi sync issue ?!?

I want to know if Logic 9.1.5 still has a sync issue with midi ?


I have read many fourms and it seems quite allot of pepople are experincing this problem ?!?


It seems it all worked fine in 'Logic 7' but they removed this feature in 'Logic 8 and 9' ?


LINK - http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=22957


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I have a 'Roland Jupiter 8' with a Kenton Retrofit.


I am trying to get the Arpeggio to work in sync with Logic 9.1.5


But every time in put the Apreggio into 'EXT' Mode no sounds come out of the synth ?


If i play the Apreggio on the "INT" mode on the synth, it plays but it's out of sync to the project tempo.


The JP8 is sending and receiving 'MIDI' from logic as i can play and record in 'Normal' sounds but when you put it in 'Apreggio - EXT MODE' nothing comes out ........ ;-(


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I have tired this to 'Enable' the midi clock in Logic and to send from the Port to the JP8.


Synchronisation - General - Sync Mode - Internal


Synchronisation - Midi - Midi Clock - Transmit - select Port


But it still not working ;-(


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I have had this issue for many months now and haven't been able to get it to work !?!?


Could someone please help as it would be greatly appreciated....

Logic Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 AM

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Dec 6, 2011 10:45 AM in response to shabfish

First, you're mistaken about the differences between Logic 7 and later versions. The ability of Logic to --receive-- MIDI Clock was removed after version 7, not the ability to send.


For testing:


Send directly to the Kenton port, not to ALL.

Even though it's under MTC, enable song position pointer.


If I remember correctly,song position pointer (spp) is strictly a MIDI function.

Perhaps the Kenton does not accept MIDI clock or (more likely) perhaps the Jupiter arpeggiator was not made to work with MIDI sync but instead made to work with Roland's DCB.


pancenter-

Dec 7, 2011 1:01 AM in response to shabfish

Pancenter is spot on... Logic can transmit, but not receive midi clock. (The receive feature was removed in Logic 8 - much to the annoyance of most MPC users).


With regards to your Jupiter 8, you should be able to get it to sync to incoming midi clock. I have a Juno 60 with a Kenton retrofit, and have sucessfully used it with midi clock & arpeggios. I would say though that the results were often disappointing, & it sounded better 'free-wheeling'. (I used to get my arpeggio roughly in time by ear, then print it, then quantize it using strip-silence (though these days you could use flex-time).


Another option would be to set up an arpeggio in your environment page so that you can actually print the arpeggio notes, move them around, quantize them etc.


One thing to bear in mind if you are slaving your Jupiter to midi clock is that Logic needs to be running in order for it to be transmiting midi clock (it won't transmit midi clock when the sequencer is stopped).

Dec 7, 2011 2:18 AM in response to F-L-E-X-I-S

Dear F~L~E~X~I~S


Thanks for info and help on this issue I'm currently having.


Could I ask what setting you have logic on ? I have a few screen clips in a persvous message above showing the settings I have tired.


Synchronisation - General - Sync Mode - Internal


Synchronisation - Midi - Midi Clock - Transmit - select Port


Midi - Sync - Midi Clock - Enable song position pointer (as recomended by 'Pancenter')


Is there anything also I might need to turn on or do ?


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You menthoied about setting Apreggio up in the 'Enviroment Page', Could advise how i could do this ?


It sounds like a great idea and I would love to test it out.


;-)

Dec 7, 2011 8:48 AM in response to shabfish

Hi Shabfish...


All your settings look OK, (I'm presuming you tried sending midi clock to the 'Kenton USB Solo', but it should work on 'All' also). The only difference with my setup is that my Kenton interface was actually built into my Juno 60 (back when they used to). My guess is that you need to set your Kenton USB Solo to receieve midi clock on a particular channel... but I am only guessing.


With regards to setting up an arpeggiator in the environment, there's loads of tutorials out there... some simple, some more involved. If you want to actually see the arpegiator notes (as opposed to the associated chords), try these :


http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/production/how-to-make-arpeggiated-lead-soun ds-in-logic/

http://logic-cafe.com/article_view.asp?id=43


Alternatively, if you find the environment too intimidating, you could try 'ReMidi' (Granted Software) - now discontinued, but a handy piece of software which runs alongside Logic.

Dec 8, 2011 3:13 AM in response to F-L-E-X-I-S

hello mate


Thanks for so much for your help and advise on this matter.


I have another question if you don't mind helping with ?


I have been in touch with 'John Kenton' and he has kindly recomended a few test for me to try out.


The 'Pro DCB MK3' has an Analiyser mode which can tell you what Midi is being sent from the computer.


After a few test we have found out that Logic isn't sending the 'Midi Start' Message.


Could advise how we can get Logic to send this ?



Video Link - http://vimeo.com/33336490


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Dec 8, 2011 4:04 AM in response to shabfish

Sorry Mate...


Sounds more like a Kenton issue than a Logic one...(not too familiar with the Po DCB Mk3). My only suggestions are perhaps an OS or driver conflict with the Kenton, or that Logic is streaming it's midi clock through another connected midi interface/ device. (Also double-check you're still sending 'Song pointer' information in your Logic sync preferences).


From your video, it's not clear if the midi start is just delayed or totally missing. I always leave a blank 8 bars at the start of every song (so that there's 8 bars of pre-roll). This gives Logic (& the computer's Ram) a chance to settle down before playback. (It also ensures all your automation & FX play back as intended).


Good luck with it anyway, (& sorry not to be more helpful).

Dec 8, 2011 4:50 AM in response to F-L-E-X-I-S

hello mate,


It's seems it could be my 'USB - MIDI- Cable that is causing the issue.


http://www.absolutemusic.co.uk/store/computer-music-46/hardware-4612/usb-interfa ces-46123/m-audio-midisport-uno-1x1-usb-cable-midi-interface-14


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Kenton have also recomened


"

Yes I think several of the M-Audio models were mentioned as maybe having

a problem.


What you can do is to download a MIDI utility program that will let you

send out any MIDI message you want and get it to send a MIDI start (0FA)

and a MIDI Continue (0FB) message - and see if they appear in the Pro-

DCB analyser. If it doesn't, you know that the USB-MIDI converter is the

problem.


There is at least one for the MAC on our links page - there's a good one

for the PC called MIDI-OX.


Regards


John"


We're nearly getting there !


😉


Could I ask, What 'Midi to USB' cable you have that you are using ?

Dec 8, 2011 6:24 AM in response to shabfish

Hi Shabfish...


Glad to hear you're winning...


I've always used an Emagic Unitor 8MkII, with USB connection. (I'm a bit sceptical of USB-Midi cables). The Unitors were (originally) built for Logic - rock solid, lots of ports & still supported (works with Lion apparently). Sounds like you've got a few external synths, so it might be a good investment. Equally, an AMT8 or MT4 would suffice... some links below:


Good luck...


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EMagic-Unitor-8-MkII-8x8-MIDI-Interface-PC-MAC-/320807 299888?pt=Midi_Controllers&hash=item4ab19aeb30#ht_1208wt_1173


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Emagic-AMT8-midi-interface-/130610938579?pt=Midi_Contr ollers&hash=item1e6904c2d3#ht_500wt_1188


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Emagic-MT-4-MT4-2X4-Portable-USB-MIDI-Interface-/30059 6937453?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fcf942ed#ht_4726wt_1173

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