Key Bounce?

Something new I have started seeing in the last few days is apparent key bounce when typing. I didn't notice it in the first week or so of using my new Intel iMAC but this week it is happening a lot. I am getting stuff like "thhe" when I type "the" or "loook" when I type "look". So far I haven't been able to prove to myself if it only happens when emailing (Thunderbird) or in other text entry (TextEdit etc.) or whether my typing habits have changed. (New keyboard feels different than the one on my old beige G3, but not that different.) I did go into the keyboard preferences and extend the time before keys repeat and have that set to quite a long interval for now.

Anyone else having this experience?

20" Intel iMAC, Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Posted on Feb 9, 2006 10:39 AM

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Apr 26, 2006 2:27 PM in response to interlard

Good observations for me to ponder, Interlard,

But different from my experiences. I have this problem on my USB keyboard on my iMac, on the warranty replacement KB on my iMac and on a dealer's USB KB on his iMac but not on that same dealer's USB keyboard when moved to a G5 tower in that store. I also do NOT have the problem with a friends Apple USB keyboard from his B&W G4 tower nor with any other keyboard I have typed on with Macs or PC's in the last 20 years. I am willing to accept that my poor typing style is somehow interacting with some characteristic of these USB keyboards that came with the Intel iMacs but if so, would like to understand how I am hitting the keys that can result in this. It is NOT a case of hanging on a key to long so that it starts to repeat - I have this problem with "delay until repeat" set to OFF and I can hold a key down forever without it repeating. If I could figure out how I am doing it (if it is my fault) then I could correct possibly but it is clearly a weakness in the keyboard design to allow this to affect it.

May 28, 2006 2:44 PM in response to i-mug

Well, I fixed my keybounce problem by replacing the original Apple USB keyboard with a Macally iKey Slim keyboard. (comes with a nice mouse too.)

The Apple keyboard had already been replaced under warranty with no improvement so I didn't want to try for a third.

The Macally keyboard has a stiffer feel that takes a bit of getting used to, but not a single unintentional key repeat. What a treat. It has all the special volume and disc eject buttons, and is white like the original. Only 15 function keys rather than 16, but so far I haven't had need for an F16. It also has a 3 year warranty so as my AppleCare comes to an end I can re-evaluate whether I want to try for a third Apple keyboard to have a fresh one ready in case the Macally eventually dies. This keyboard was only $50 (Canadian - probably a lot cheaper in the US) so it was well worth it to get rid of this frustration.

May 28, 2006 8:31 PM in response to WebSailor

I am experiencing this also on my month old iBook. Both Mac mini's work fine with the USB keyboard I bought at the same time from the Apple Store.

De-bouncing of keys (switches in general) is one of the most basic things one learns to do in electronics. Seems sad to see that this is an issue on Apple hardware.

I have noted that this happens when I type hard. If I use a softer touch it is not an issue but then that is what one would expect mechanically. A bounce happens when the the key activates in rapid succession due to bouncing on the spring between the bottom stop and the finger. That is what key latching is supposed to hhelp prevent. (there it goes)

May 29, 2006 6:36 AM in response to OldTrekkie

I don't actually think it's an electromechanical problem, but something more specific to the USB controller in the Mac. I've plugged the same ("key bounce" Apple) USB keyboard into other Macs and haven't experienced the problem in that scenario. Switch back to my iMac and the keys start bouncing again. Of course, a couple posts above has somebody using a different keyboard with a Mac that was previously "bouncy", and seems to have solved the problem... odd.



20" intel iMac Mac OS X (10.4.6) 1.5GB RAM

May 30, 2006 7:14 PM in response to soerenkroeger

Soren,

Thanks for that link... When I started this present thread in early February, I thought it was something new to the Intel iMac and its USB keyboard, but following your link (and links off from there) I see people have had this problem at least back to 2004 with various Macs. (My previous Mac was a beige G3 with ADB keyboard so I have been enjoying the stability of very old hardware before encountering this problem.) I am amazed this problem goes back at least 2 years and people are still wondering if Apple will address it. I see some people have replaced the Apple keyboard up to 4 times with no improvement. Inexcuseable! I will continue to enjoy my Macally keyboard.

Sep 6, 2006 12:19 PM in response to WebSailor

I bought a Mac Mini recently (Intel Dual Core 1.66) and am having the "double letter" problem occur approximately once per couple of sentences typed, which has gotten really annoying. I bought the standard Mac keyboard with the Mac Mini. Speed of typing doesn't seem to matter, since typing "very slowly and carefully" does not keep the problem from occurring. The problem happens with different letters and is not limited to one specific letter.

This is the only "glitch" I've encountered.

When having the RAM in the Mac Mini upped from 512MB to 2GB, I took that keyboard in (to Mac Resource here in Huntsville, AL, where I bought the machine) and told them what it was doing. They hooked it to a Mac Mini on display and when I typed the first sentence "Now is the time for all good men...", I got a double "f". The person working there typed a similar sentence multiple times and never got the problem. I then tried typing "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." (since it uses every letter) 10 times and never got it to happen. Of course, there may be a difference in typing standing and typing while sitting if sensitivity to a certain style is an issue.

The guy in Mac Resource recommended I do a "repair disc permissions" since it sounded like a software issue. I did, and that did not help. When I type English text or variable names in C++ programs, the double stuff happens often, which really slows me down.

All I can do now is either get the keyboard replaced under warranty, but from what I've read, people who get replacements still have the problem, or buy a different keyboard to use with the machine.

I am interested to see if a definite resolution appears for this problem.

The "double letter" problem never appears on my Macbook with its built-in keyboard. I'll have to try using the suspicious keyboard with other machines to see if the problem follows it.


Mac Mini, MacBook Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Sep 7, 2006 1:16 PM in response to WebSailor

After more investigation on my "double letter" problem that is the same as others are describing here, I found that the problem followed the keyboard. Today at lunch, I hooked the problematic keyboard into a Windows desktop machine's USB port and it seemed to work fine for the first paragraph I typed, but in the second and third paragraphs, it started the "double letter" stuff again, and it happened 5 times within a couple of minutes. That tells me it's the keyboard and not the computer.

I then returned the keyboard to Mac Resource here in town and got the "Matias tactilepro" keyboard and have had no "double letter" problems with it while testing it out in the office, so hopefully, this will resolve the problem.

I went ahead and got the expensive keyboard since it has a 5 year warranty and I'll be using it for both code-writing and doing English (LJ posts, email, chat). It was maddening having to backspace constantly to correct double letters in C++ variable names while programming. It's the first keyboard I've ever used that behaved that way, and I've been programming since 1984.


Mac Mini, MacBook Mac OS X (10.4.7)

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