Nikon D200 support

When Apple releases an update.

not to sound coy but Apple never announces when it will fix things. From what I've read/heard RAW conversion is done by the OS so you need to wait until a patch is sent and since once just came out a month or so ago, It may be a little while. On the other hand, Apple will be sending out the UB in March so perhaps you'll see the D200 support then - I'm just guessing.

If anything is going to fuel a surge to Adobe's Lightroom rather than Aperture, I suspect speed of dealing with new RAW formats is going to be it. I got my D200 December 19, and ti worked right off the bat with Lightroom, and an update to Camera Raw 3.3 was released by Adobe relatively quickly thereafter.

Meanwhile, here I sit, waiting on Apple to update its $600 CDN pro-level application - well, not really, since I can stil work with Bridge, Lightroom, and Photoshop.

Maybe this is what Apple meant when it said that Aperture wasn't positioned as competition to Photoshoop.

I pre-orderded Aperture and got it on the day it shipped. I thought that this would be a boon to my wife's workflow. Initially we were pretty enthusiastic, but this lack of support for the D200 is ridiculous. I had to install LightRoom in order to use the new camera. Now I would expect that a Professional application would provide support for the latest cameras as they ship or within a couple of weeks at the most. If there is no update to support the D200 soon, my wife will wind up a LightRoom user, and will move her whole studio over to LightRoom instead of Aperture. Many opinion makers are getting turned off to the lack of cutting edge support for Aperture.

Well 10.4.5 is out and does not appear to address the D200 import...Very disappointing.

Odd that Apple is having so much difficulty supporting the D200 RAW format, but the ADOBE Lightroom Beta has no problem. Is Adobe using a diferent engine ?

Robin

I pre-orderded Aperture and got it on the day it
shipped. I thought that this would be a boon to my
wife's workflow. Initially we were pretty
enthusiastic, but this lack of support for the D200
is ridiculous. I had to install LightRoom in order to
use the new camera. Now I would expect that a
Professional application would provide support for
the latest cameras as they ship or within a couple of
weeks at the most. If there is no update to support
the D200 soon, my wife will wind up a LightRoom user,
and will move her whole studio over to LightRoom
instead of Aperture. Many opinion makers are getting
turned off to the lack of cutting edge support for
Aperture.

Please see this post -
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=312057

PowerMac G5 Quad 2.5Ghz Mac OS X (10.4.4) 4.5GB RAM, Nvidia 7800 GT, 600GB RAID

"So that means that Apple is at the mercy of the manufacturers in order to get that information. Now most manufactures would prefer that you purchase or use their own software to work on the RAW files that their camera produces"

Sorry, I just can't buy the excuse that Apple is at the mercy of ANYONE. Nikon gains no market advantage by refusing access to the D200 RAW algorithms. (actually they would put themselves at a disadvantage) Nikon's not selling software, they sell cameras and scanners. Just doesn't add up. This just looks like a good, old fashioned FUBAR to me.

"So that means that Apple is at the mercy of the
manufacturers in order to get that information. Now
most manufactures would prefer that you purchase or
use their own software to work on the RAW files that
their camera produces"

Sorry, I just can't buy the excuse that Apple is at
the mercy of ANYONE. Nikon gains no market advantage
by refusing access to the D200 RAW algorithms.
(actually they would put themselves at a
disadvantage) Nikon's not selling software, they sell
cameras and scanners. Just doesn't add up. This just
looks like a good, old fashioned FUBAR to me.

Well, inviting a lawsuit is not in anyones best interest, even almighty Apple.

It's been well documented that Nikon has refused to release the required information that enable 3rd parties to access the white balance information on their D2 cameras and I'm going to assume that they've done the same with the D200. Now, if Nikon were just in the business of selling cameras why would they not allow anyone access to this information?

If I recall correctly, Adobe has only just recently been able to access this information themselves for ACR and Lightroom. This means that they've either successfully reversed engineered Nikon's code or came to a licensing agreement with Nikon.

Reverse engineering works well and many 3rd party developers have created wonderful products that read a wide variety of camera raw files with varyingly degrees of success, but it's a slippery slope. A developer always has to be reverse engineering code for every new camera that is released on the market. Anytime a camera manufacturer releases a firmware update or makes a change to a camera already on the market, the code needs to be reverse engineered once again. Now that is FUBAR.

Wouldn't it be much better if the camera manufacturers just licensed the code to the software developers? And licensed it in a way that would allow the developers the right to change the code to make it better and perhaps share this information with the camera manufacturers. Talk about a win-win!

-Robert

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The fact that we don't know if Adobe has "reverse engineered or come to an agreement" with Nikon begs the question; Why don't we know? Now let me understand, we can send people to the moon (almost 40 years ago), but we can't find someone who can hack this thing and decode NIKON's magic RAW? I see lots and lots of money to be made by the person or people who can decode these - as they come out - for Apple and Adobe. shannon

Actually, Nikon and Adobe announced a resolution of that issue months ago. I guess the major frustration is that just about every other application that I know of that works with RAW files already supports the D200. I realize the support is built into the OS, but we've now had two updates of the OS since the D200 came out and still no support. I'm sure there are quite a few other D200 owners that would like to use Aperture, but can't. How long will we have to wait?

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I am thinking the resolution to which you refer (as i vaguely remember) had to do with hiding white balance information by NIKON for D2X RAW? These Nikon and Adobe folks are treating symptoms, not coming up with a cure. shannon

Nikon's not selling software, they sell

cameras and scanners.

Nikon has announced their new "Capture NX"

http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2006/0221_05.htm

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Nikon's not selling software, they sell

cameras and scanners.

I assume that is tongue-in-cheek as they do charge 99. to continue using their fantastic version of Capture Editor after 30-days (if you can stand it for 30 days, they should pay you). My immediate interim solution for the D200 raws is now Adobe Lightroom. Yes, it's free and they just released a new beta the other day. It'll do for now. shannon

"I assume that is tongue-in-cheek as they do charge 99. to continue using their fantastic version of Capture Editor after 30-days (if you can stand it for 30 days, they should pay you). My immediate interim solution for the D200 raws is now Adobe Lightroom. Yes, it's free and they just released a new beta the other day. It'll do for now"

Shannon, when I first posted it, it wasn't tongue-in-cheek. But, it's now pretty clear that Nikon is positioning themselves as squarely in the digital workflow as they can (as a profit center), so the whole thing makes sense, and I was wrong. I'm also using Lightroom, but I dread the day that Adobe releases that product and we have to pay Adobe prices.

Robin