Nikon D200 support

Yes, i think we all dread what Adobe will charge for Lightroom. Let's see ... will it be ... 499. same as Aperture? No, probably less due to Aperture's superior ability. I am guessing 299. No rest for the weary pocketbook. Meanwhile, Aperture RAW opener will be out before a full release of Lightroom comes out - relegating (for me) Lightroom to an also-ran. Meanwhile, guru Scott Kelby has dedicated p.34-37 of this month's Photoshop User to Lightroom. I hope Nikon will stick with cameras and leave the software to software people. They would sell more cameras if they did! shannon

$299 ? I hope you're right, I was expecting $699, or more. Adobe has always seemed to ask a wicked premium. We'll see.

Robin

Hello, it really is amazing how so many get mad at nikon for them trying to make money.last time I checked apple has given me nothing for free ( EXCEPT LACK OF SUPPORT ). adobe worked out a deal with nikon, all the other raw converters have found a way to support the D-200 and other cameras,apple has not even fixed this basic aperture program much less supported new cameras.adobe gave us the dng format so all cameras can be used and apple did not fully support this well.I do not think it is nikons place to fix apples program and I think that apple needs to do the work needed to add camera support and work with nikon like others have done...apple is the one who took our money so apple is the one who needs to fix this program.. Michael

Yes, your view is completely valid. The "deal" Nikon had to work out was, as I recall, about hiding white balance information for the D2X. One should ask themselves why they would do that? It is easy to lose track of the fact we are still in the tintype era of digital photography. Was it Whitman who said something like "These are the days that must happen to you"? Yes, all companies are in it for profit. The amazing thing is they don't all do things that are profitable! Nikon in the software business - c'mon. Kodak in the pro camera business (oh they're out)! Yes, apple took my money for Aperture too, so let's start another round of e mails to them to see where they are on this. If they weren't ready to swim with the bleeding-edge-techno-photo-sharks, they shouldn't have jumped into the water. I need more coffee!!! shannon

Shannon,I know it is hard to believe but there are many people out in the world who are very happy with nikon and cannon programs who find that the work they do is satisfatorly met by these programs,so if nikon and cannon make extra money and meet their needs more power to them.as for nikon I have used their cameras since the F-1 and the only problem I ever had was with the D2H and nikon fixed it fast and for free.it seems to me it is good for the market for many programs to be offered.as for apple they make computers so should they keep out of the software market ??? I like my apple computer very much but I have never experianced a company who offers such poor support for a program sold as pro, it seems that a few peoples needs are met by this program but most are not,and for a program which is sold to save time for pros it has proven to take more time because of all the work-arounds needed to use this program...this is not apple bashing it is a fact that for four months apple has offered little support and inprovements to aperture, so as I am concered apple is responsible for any problem and lack of support for this program.... Michael

As we say in Texas - AMEN BROTHER! You're preachin' to the choir. It's not so much that Aperture wasn't ready for primetime (bookmaking ability looks to be unlimited upside potential), I am more disturbed by apple's reaction to our expectations. They did not know their market before they dove into it. The idea of as many programs as there are cameras, raw versions, manufacturers etc... will work itself out just like the film makers are working out which film bases will survive and which are gone - forever. These are still the early days. It's simple economics, companies will be rewarded for what they do best and punished for doing what they aren't good at doing.

As per camera quality - I still have all my film cameras. That does not blur the fact that I received a free replacement to my D200 over corduroy/banding issues. Bury me with my Nikons and Hasselblads. They're both great CAMERA companies.

The issue really is not software (in my opinion), it is the exponential proliferation of RAW formats. How many are enough? 100, 200 ? The number of new RAW formats could easily break a thousand if every new camera in the next few years has a "new, improved" proprietary RAW format. Is that what we want? shannon

Shannen,who said nothing good ever came from Texes ( ONLY KIDDING)I agree with you that the market will in the end clear those companys out which do not respond to the photographers needs.and I support the dng format as a way around this. how ever I know that my files are converted in the best way by the nikon program, many other programs are catching up fast and to be honest I hate the nikon program but I will say that at least nikon has pro tools which is more than I can say for aperture...the only two nikon cameras I did not buy was the F-4,and the D-1, I also still have them as well as my RZ-67...

The issue really is not software (in my opinion), it
is the exponential proliferation of RAW formats. How
many are enough? 100, 200 ? The number of new RAW
formats could easily break a thousand if every new
camera in the next few years has a "new, improved"
proprietary RAW format. Is that what we want? shannon

Exactly. It would be as if every time Kodak tweaked its negative films, you'd have to throw out all your C-41 chemicals and buy C-41a, C-41b, C-41c, etc. chemicals.

It's really absurd. DNG (or some other standard raw format) is making more and more sense.

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That is why the market is petitioning an Open Raw format...

http://www.openraw.org/

At the end of the day, the software companies (Apple, Adobe, etc) are probably less to blame than the Camera companies, who keep proliferating new raw file formats WITH EVERY MODEL they produce. The Raw formats, even in Nikon's lineup, are incompatible from model to model.

Rant on :
As someone once said, "those who ignore the lessons of history are bound to repeat them".
Well, here we go again. Canon, Nikon, etc, need to pay attention to history, they won't succeed at making their proprietary format the "Standard", as their bubbleheaded marketers keep proposing.
Remember Beta ? All the proprietary Computer Operating Systems from IBM, HP, DEC, PICK, etc ? Where are they now ? Those computer companies that survived now sell UNIX as their leading server class OS.
That strategy never works
Eventually the standards which evolve are controlled by standards groups, not companies looking to lock the world to their vison of technology, and lock in unlimited profits
Rant off:

All that being said, If support for D200 RAW is available today in Lightroom, it's inexcusable for it not to be in Aperture, and more inexcusable for Apple not to be more forthcoming about when it's going to be available.


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Robins, first of all I personally wish to thank the moderator for allowing some of these discussions to go on. that said and meant this debate over raw formats is a tough one, the camera companys say they need the format to optomize the files for a spicific camera,adobe gave us dng and everyone can for free make all of their files into one format,the software makers say the many formats cause problems... as far as I am concerned this issue will not be solved soon. My concern is to be able to work with the most current tools as in cameras and software.I buy nikon and nikon has always given me a product which produces the quality as advertzed.the software providers for the most part keep getting better and overall I think that they give me the product as advertized.. apple is the first company I feel taken by,aperture is not the pro program I saw in the vidios, I am sure it will be but the past 4 months I feel that apple has cost me time and money by them not upgradeing this program in a timely manner.Michael