Aperture 4 Wish List

I know that and I already got this answer. I already exported two thirds of my library. But I never implemented it!

Managing this kind of workflow is too error prone. This why I wrote that I would like aperture to handle all backups at once. I would like to sea aperture several libraries without switching etc. I would like to take a project and drag it on another library and drop it there. I also understand that aperture is not built to handle this kind of workflow ... but I still sea that with the grwoing amount of digigtal images it will become necessary sooner or later!

I think you are VERY wrong here (my opinion). I've been using the switching feature from day one without any issue. In fact I use two libraries on different devices. I have a "main" library that I work from on a Thunderbolt drive connected to my MBP. The other lib is on my WD F/W drive that I use when I shoot and travel. I simply export the new shots and merge them with the main library. What you are asking for introduces quite a bit of bloat to an already bloated app that is a resource hog. Imagine if it had to do what you are asking.

I think I understand why you may see this as a wrong path to go ...

I would like to split my library in active and none active libraries. I would like to be able to drag and drop a finished project on an inactive library. Exporting and merging is in my opinion old fashioned.

When I come home from a shooting I would like to see the library on my MBP and be able to drag and drop it on my main and active library on my MP. This would include sharing libraries.

Now I know this can be recourse intensive ... I would however be glad to have one additional active library of aperture running with a second license of aperture on a mac server ... I get a new mac every two years so this should not be a problem to me!

With ever grwoing numbers of files and file sizes the software will have to adapt ... in my opinion!

How about any kind of update or hint at a date. I want to get Aperture 3.2.3 and move from iPhoto but not sure if I should wait or buy 3.2.3??? 😕

Hard question to ask Ken30. If you haven't made the jump yet, I would wait until the WWDC and see if Aperture 4.0 is released. If not, I would consider moving over to Lightroom. It is pretty clear that Aperture 3.2.3 is Apple's last go at pro apps for photographers. On the other hand, Adobe has a pretty consistent upgrade/update path that Apple can not match. Many former Aperture pros are not moving to Lightroom because Apple can not be trusted to upgrade their pro apps.

I have a beta version of Photo Shop CS6 and Bridge CS6 and seems more complicated than I need. I will take a look at Lightroom next.

Do you have an iPad? If so, there is a great set of tutorals that will teach you how to use CS 5 (similar to CS 6). Bridge is just an organizing tool with some great features. Look at Lightroom. I've downloaded it and will install it and play with it. If nothing new comes from Apple in a month or so, I am done with their pro apps and will move on.

Ok. No ipad yet. But downloading LR4 now! At least I can try before I buy. Aperture 4 cut that option a few months ago.

Was there an Aperture 4 download trial? I think there was only an Aperture 3 trial. No one knows, and many are no longer waiting, to see if there will be an Aperture 4. I know many, many people who are shooters and work for Apple that are no longer waiting for Aperture 4, and are moving over to LR. Something to consider.

Don Trammell wrote:

It is pretty clear that Aperture 3.2.3 is Apple's last go at pro apps for photographers.

It is? I have been using Aperture since release 1.5 and I have watched the release of Aperture 2 and Aperture 3. Each time the Internet gags with wails that "Apple has abandoned us ..."

They may have, but with reports that Apple is recruiting specifically for the Aperture team and the presence of Aperture 4 books on Amazon, I would suspect that there is an Aperture 4 in the offing. Especially as Aperture 3 is no longer available for trial.

You may not like the way that Apple releases software, but I have not seen any evidence to support the theory that there is no Aperture 4 in the works.

Now, if you can stand Lightroom's workflow and it offers you a tool that you can't live with out, go for it. You might want to take a peek at the "Can anyone get Lightroom 4 to work at all?" moans over on the Lightroom fora. Grass has a way of being greener elsewhere.

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DiploStrat (Who apologizes for a real PhanBoi post!)

Both apps have workflows that are different from each other. Wow. Thanks for pointing that out. I've had every release of Aperture as well, and just because it is no longer available for download does not mean a release is going to happen. It just means they are no longer there. Also, having a book on Amazon is your proof that A4 is on the way? That's all it takes to convince you? Great, please pick up my latest, Aperture 11 book that I will be releasing on Amazon as soon as I am done posting this and releasing Aperture 10 how-to manual. Your arguments are pretty weak and offer no substance other than speculation. I can however factually state that based on Apple's previous release schedule, Aperture 4 is pretty late and Apples push into iPhoto ( a consumer app), can lead one to draw the conclusion that there may never be an Aperture 4. As for taking peaks at things, you might want to peruse the countless Aperture forums.

So LR4 has a lot of issues?? Have not really looked at it at all on any formus. I would love to stay with apple Apps. What to do....What to do!!

Ken30,

I would wait until the WWDC. If there is no rush that is. LR and Aperture both have some issues. It is the nature of the beast. However, LR has some very important features that Aperture still does not have.

Ken30 wrote:

So LR4 has a lot of issues??

I doubt that it has any more than Aperture 3. Certainly the copy of LR4b that I downloaded ran without difficulty on my Mac. But then I have never had problems with any release of Aperture either. As with Aperture, I suspect that any real problems with Lightroom have more to do with underlying problems with someone's Mac, rather than the application itself. (The one, howling exception may have been the conversion of Managed Libraries between Aperture 2 and 3.) The conventional wisdom has always been that LR demanded less of the computer than AP, so I was surprised to see threads complaining that LR was taking such a toll of computer resources. At the end of the day, they are more alike than different in that they like lots of RAM and fast, empty disks.

Lightroom 4 was a big catch up to Aperture 3, but in the end, a lot depends on what YOU want.

I always considered the full screen operations were a must for laptops. Got a 27" monitor, you may not care. Lightroom finally added soft proofing (and did it quite nicely), but again, for those who don't do their own prints, this may not matter. Aperture's file handling is much deeper, but, as has been noted, many photographers don't want anything deeper than a chron listing. LR4's fill light finally catches up to Aperture's Highlights and Shadows. Some love that Adobe has made a real effort to mimic in camera settings in Adobe Camera RAW, for others this is less important. I do like LR4's distortion correction tools, but, with the exception of my 18-200mm VR, most of my lenses don't have real problems.

Lightroom's modular workflow absolutely gives me hives, but give me a week and I would get used to it. In the end, only you can determine which tool is best for you.

The simple fact is that Aperture and Lightroom do between 75 and 90% of what most photographers need. If you need more, there are many forms of Photoshop. And there is still a cadre of photographers who simply would not consider not sending an image to Photoshop for "finishing." But, I suspect that this number is declining and may be largely based on comfort and experience with Photoshop compared with other tools.

Rest assured, no one will be able to tell which software you used when admiring your images!

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DiploStrat 😉

I have been pretty frustrated with Apple's handling of the Aperture product just like most people, but one recent observation has given me pause. After I saw a comparison between the Hassy HD40 and Nikon D800 in an online video in which the D800's skin tones were criticized, I installed LR4 myself. The skin tones on the D800 were actually quite bad in the video comparison and this was done in Lightroom. My observation has been that raw conversion in Aperture is far better for Nikon D800 NEF files in Aperture 3.2 than in LR4. Even for D300 files there is a notable difference in favor of Aperture. For this singular reason I am compelled to wait a little longer to see what Apple does and I am really not happy about this 😟.