how do you write ? and @ in a macbook pro?

Shift and the number 2 key.

Really you don't know that? Have you actually lookoed at the keyboard?

Sorry I just find it odd that someone that may of been using any kind of computer for any lenght of time doesn't know where the @ sign and ? signs are located.

Maybe I shouldn't of had that third cup of coffee this morning.

gluglu wrote:

its a normal keyboard, but probably because its brand new its different(: i dindt know that keyboards changed tht much, but maybe because its th new model they changed it?

In the future, please tell people where you are located. Keyboards don't change because of "new models", they are different in different countries to conform to local practice and languages.

Are you in Spain? Is there an @ printed on your 2 key?

Sorry but not in my world. Shift+G gets me nothing other then a capitol g.

If you are using some other type of keyboard you should of said so in your first post, but you did not.

If you had mentioned that you are not using a standard keyboard or one of another language I would not of replied as I have no idea how other language keyboards are laid out.

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eww wrote:

She wants to know where certain characters are on her own, and I doubt that she'd be asking if they were marked right on her keycaps.

In that case, why did you refer Shootist007 to

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2841>

For the life of me, I can't find a single one where @ and ? aren't marked on the keycaps.

What's your point?

IMHO, this discussion is a bit thin in meat and potatoes. We need something to sink our teeth into.

So here's what I suggest, eww. Let's suspend judgment for the time being. In the meanwhile, you, who are obvioulsy not only much more skillful, but also much better endowed with patience, kindness, empathy, and all the other good, warm stuff I am so sadly deficient in, elicit from the OP, in the nicest possible way (sugar on top included, of course), some basic details. Such as, what MBP and OS she is using, what keyboard did it come with, what does she think is a "normal" keyboard, and how her current keyboard is different from a "normal" keyboard. Then we can have a nice, juicy argument; and, because you're such a nice guy, I'll even forgo my usual £1 per 5 minutes fee.

eww wrote:

Shootist: There are many diferent keyboard layouts in use in different countries of the world. They don't all have the same characters in the same places.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2841

Thanks eww and I am totally aware of that. But since this is a english speaking forum, mainly, for a company based in US of A when I asked it he was using a keyboard of another language he replied No it is standard.

To my knowledge a standard keyboard is just like the one I am typing this on no matter what language you are typing in.

In any event he now knows wher to find those keys so I'm Out Of Here.

Like I said in my last post, not in my world.

I am typing this reply from a wireless HP keyboard connected to a home built Win 7 PC and my 2011 Macbook Pro, bought in December 2011(Built in October 2011), is sitting right next to the keyboard I'm typing on. The @ key and the ? key are in the exact lacation on both keyboards. If I get my newest and oldest Dell notebooks out and look at where the @ & ? keys are they will be in the exact same place as the one on the Mac and this keyboard I'm typing on.

I could get a keyboard I used back in 1993 and those 2 keys would be in the same place.

So you are either using some type of keyboard I have never seen OR

To my knowledge a standard keyboard is just like the one I am typing this on no matter what language you are typing in.

Yes, that's where your mistake is. To billions of people elsewhere, a standard keyboard is unlike the one you're using.

I'm sorry, eww, but IMHO you're being a little unfair to Shootist007.

First, the problem is not his, but the OP's, who posted such a daft question w/o bothering to give us any details, such what MBP, what keyboard, or at least where it was purchased. After all, she's not asking about some esoteric characters, but two characters which are clearly labelled on many, perhaps most, computer keyboards.

Second, yes, of course there are many different keyboard layouts in the world; having learned to use computers on an AZERTY keyboard, I know that as well as anyone else. But if there is anything in this world like a (in the OP's words) 'normal keyboard', then it's a QWERTY keyboard, and that holds true not just in the US, but also in India, China, and many other places.

Fane: Someone who is well aware that there are many different international keyboard layouts should be willing to excuse an inexperienced user for not realizing that, particularly when it quickly becomes clear that they aren't using the "standard" QWERTY layout. Help them figure out what layout they're using so they can tell us what it is, instead of just harping on the fact that it's not "standard" -- a concept that doesn't help the OP solve his or her problem.

eww wrote:

an inexperienced user

An inexperienced user who writes, "its a normal keyboard, but probably because its brand new its different(: i dindt know that keyboards changed tht much"?

instead of just harping on the fact that it's not "standard"

Who exactly is "harping on the fact that it's not 'standard'"?

Moreover, I don't know about you, but I have no clue what the OP is on about; AFAIK, she might very well be using a QWERTY keyboard.

Do you doubt that the OP is inexperienced and not well informed? What's your point?

Shootist is the one harping on the non-"standard"ness of Marta's keyboard and the "standard"ness of his own: a distinction that is spurious and not useful. There is no "standard" keyboard layout -- only some layouts that are more widely used than others. Marta doesn't care what's "standard" and doesn't need to know what's where on other people's keyboards. She wants to know where certain characters are on her own, and I doubt that she'd be asking if they were marked right on her keycaps.

eww: Don't worry about fane.

the OP has disappeared, but for all I would like to repeat my earlier post:

If you are running Lion: tap and hold the key where you want the accent on: after a second or 2-3 all possibilities will bedisplayed to choose, like in iOS5 on the iPad/iPhone.

And in Sytem Preferences you can switch holding the key between the accented letter or the repeat letter.

Lex

Fane: I haven't examined all the different KB layouts myself; I was hoping perhaps Marta would, and would then tell us which one she was using. Unfortunately she seems to have gone away after shootist's initial rebuke, which she justifiably resented. I've no wish to argue with you, whose posts here I have usually admired.