how do you write ? and @ in a macbook pro?

Thank you Fane.

Let me make it easier:

Is this your keyboard?

Fane: Someone who is well aware that there are many different international keyboard layouts should be willing to excuse an inexperienced user for not realizing that, particularly when it quickly becomes clear that they aren't using the "standard" QWERTY layout. Help them figure out what layout they're using so they can tell us what it is, instead of just harping on the fact that it's not "standard" -- a concept that doesn't help the OP solve his or her problem.

eww wrote:

an inexperienced user

An inexperienced user who writes, "its a normal keyboard, but probably because its brand new its different(: i dindt know that keyboards changed tht much"?

instead of just harping on the fact that it's not "standard"

Who exactly is "harping on the fact that it's not 'standard'"?

Moreover, I don't know about you, but I have no clue what the OP is on about; AFAIK, she might very well be using a QWERTY keyboard.

Do you doubt that the OP is inexperienced and not well informed? What's your point?

Shootist is the one harping on the non-"standard"ness of Marta's keyboard and the "standard"ness of his own: a distinction that is spurious and not useful. There is no "standard" keyboard layout -- only some layouts that are more widely used than others. Marta doesn't care what's "standard" and doesn't need to know what's where on other people's keyboards. She wants to know where certain characters are on her own, and I doubt that she'd be asking if they were marked right on her keycaps.

eww wrote:

She wants to know where certain characters are on her own, and I doubt that she'd be asking if they were marked right on her keycaps.

In that case, why did you refer Shootist007 to

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2841>

For the life of me, I can't find a single one where @ and ? aren't marked on the keycaps.

What's your point?

IMHO, this discussion is a bit thin in meat and potatoes. We need something to sink our teeth into.

So here's what I suggest, eww. Let's suspend judgment for the time being. In the meanwhile, you, who are obvioulsy not only much more skillful, but also much better endowed with patience, kindness, empathy, and all the other good, warm stuff I am so sadly deficient in, elicit from the OP, in the nicest possible way (sugar on top included, of course), some basic details. Such as, what MBP and OS she is using, what keyboard did it come with, what does she think is a "normal" keyboard, and how her current keyboard is different from a "normal" keyboard. Then we can have a nice, juicy argument; and, because you're such a nice guy, I'll even forgo my usual £1 per 5 minutes fee.

eww: Don't worry about fane.

the OP has disappeared, but for all I would like to repeat my earlier post:

If you are running Lion: tap and hold the key where you want the accent on: after a second or 2-3 all possibilities will bedisplayed to choose, like in iOS5 on the iPad/iPhone.

And in Sytem Preferences you can switch holding the key between the accented letter or the repeat letter.

Lex

gluglu wrote:

i just got a macbook pro, and im wondering how to write @ and ?

LexSchellings wrote:

If you are running Lion: tap and hold the key where you want the accent on

LOL!

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Fane: I haven't examined all the different KB layouts myself; I was hoping perhaps Marta would, and would then tell us which one she was using. Unfortunately she seems to have gone away after shootist's initial rebuke, which she justifiably resented. I've no wish to argue with you, whose posts here I have usually admired.

gluglu wrote:

its a normal keyboard, but probably because its brand new its different(: i dindt know that keyboards changed tht much, but maybe because its th new model they changed it?

In the future, please tell people where you are located. Keyboards don't change because of "new models", they are different in different countries to conform to local practice and languages.

Are you in Spain? Is there an @ printed on your 2 key?

fane_j wrote:

For the life of me, I can't find a single one where @ and ? aren't marked on the keycaps.

Yes, I agree the OP can probably see it but it does not work.

My guess would be that the OP is in Spain and has mistakenly chosen Spanish for her layout rather than Spanish ISO. This is a very common mistake and results in the @ being at Option + G instead of where it is marked, which is Option + 2. (It could never be at Shift + G as she stated).

LexSchellings wrote:

???

How can looking for accented vowels find you the @ key? Did you mean to post this in some other thread?

owow Tom, indeed, this is already the third time that a post from me lost its way and came above in another thread.😊 I'll take more care next time, sorry to disturb all of you.