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DVD Studio Pro - Final Cut X

so, if one purchases final cut x and sells off their final cut suite 3 with DVD Studio Pro, how does one do a professional DVD authoring? that is, what is everyone doing to author DVD's that they make in Final Cut Pro then compress using Compressor or just import right into DVD Studio Pro?

i actually didn't like this product (DVD Studio Pro) when it came with my Final Cut Studio 3, preferring to keep with my former Avid based product, but after someone showed me how to use it, i fell in love with the thing and DON'T want to be without it although I'd like to sell my MacPro with FCS3 included in the purchase price when i put it on eBay.

hope i can get some help because this is ALL that is holding me up from doing the APP store puchases of the new FC products and getting my new MacBook Pro i7 machine.

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.2)

Posted on Feb 7, 2012 1:28 PM

34 replies

Feb 8, 2012 8:51 AM in response to tjwaido

I understand your frustration as FCP X has ruined the prospects of a number of long-time users of FCP 1 to 7 with some of its omissions and alterations.

When you have a business to run you don't have time to learn a whole new app especially when there are some essential tasks it can't do.

Luckily for me, I am just an amateur with no time-constraints, so FCP X is a nice new toy to play with.

It's only been out 7 months and in that time there have been some considerable improvements, so maybe in a couple of years we'll be looking back and wondering what all the fuss was about . . . hopefully!

Feb 8, 2012 8:57 AM in response to Penn-Ohio

I did a quick 4 angle multicam test a few days ago and it seemed fine, but I have not done any complex in-depth work.

tjwaido

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Feb 8, 2012 9:09 AM in response to tjwaido

do you have both fcs3 and fcp x on the same machine and if so any issues? also, what kind of machine do you have them on?

Yes, I had put all my FCS3 apps into a FCS3 folder and placed FCPX, Motion 5 and Compressor 4 in a FCPX folder within my Applications folder inorder to get each suite to work with it's appropriate suite apps. So FCP7 can still send projects to Soundtrack Pro or Motion 4. I couldn't FCP7/X to work with Motion if I was renaming it "Motion 5" or "Motion 4".

tjwaido

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Feb 8, 2012 9:11 AM in response to Ian R. Brown

I understand your frustration as FCP X has ruined the prospects of a number of long-time users of FCP 1 to 7 with some of its omissions and alterations.

When you have a business to run you don't have time to learn a whole new app especially when there are some essential tasks it can't do.

Yes, thank you!!!! Time is money. I have recommended FCPX to my brother, becuase I know he would like it's features and wouldn't care about all the missing features of FCP7.

Penn-Ohio Author

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Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM in response to Ian R. Brown

Ian R. Brown wrote:

I did a quick 4 angle multicam test a few days ago and it seemed fine, but I have not done any complex in-depth work.

could u please explain some detail on the edit? like what format media files were? how easily fcpx handled it? and any lagging, pausing, app "squirrelliness" (new word) lock ups, etc.?

btw by definition squirrely to me is it just acts weird like its about to lock up or fail. its what i say of most droid tablets . . squirrely. they just seem to act like they don't want to work and honestly a lot of them don't. so even though i owned one of each (practically) i retuned them all. o and i don't own a ipad of anykind, no use for it, my iphone does all that it does practically 😉

Feb 8, 2012 12:39 PM in response to Penn-Ohio

Very basic as I said.

4 clips of NTSC DV shot at 29.97fps each about 2 minutes long made into a multiclip.

Played it and swopped angles frequently.

Just did what it was supposed to do.

No drama and remember it's an old Core 2 Duo iMac I am using with 4GB RAM.

Feb 8, 2012 12:45 PM in response to Ian R. Brown

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Penn-Ohio Author

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Feb 8, 2012 1:21 PM in response to Ian R. Brown

Ian R. Brown wrote: Very basic as I said. 4 clips of NTSC DV shot at 29.97fps each about 2 minutes long made into a multiclip. Played it and swopped angles frequently. Just did what it was supposed to do. No drama and remember it's an old Core 2 Duo iMac I am using with 4GB RAM.

great. can i assume that the audio was recorded on separate track from the video which is why there are audio clips in the bin? nice to hear. i think ima be alright on the macpro i7 using firewire 800 media drives and then i'll eventually move to thunderbolt drives when a few competitors get in the market unlike the money grabbing lacie guys and primise $$$

i did see an option at B&H with an external eSata (2.5" and 3.5") set up with thunderbolt cabling which means NICE i think. 150 for the rig and you use goflex drives. i think that would keep up with some hd streams say up to 3 or 4 maybe. we're gonna see that's for sure because i definitely want to get this biggie macpro off my desk as i use it like once a week now.

thanks for that update ian and guessing that there aren't any other dvd authoring so guess i'll just keep the old dvd studio pro 4 which i do like was just gonna not put FCS3 on the new machine. oh well, we do what we gotta do right? :-)

Feb 8, 2012 1:37 PM in response to Penn-Ohio

The audio was just on Camera 1.

What you could see were imported tunes.

What I didn't tell you is that the scratch disk is a £70 WD Elements 2TB USB 2.0.

Yep! USB 2.0.

None of this crappy FireWire or Thunderbolt for me!

Actually I do have a couple of LaCie FW800 HDs which I bought when I knew no better but I rarely ever use them now.

Feb 8, 2012 1:49 PM in response to Ian R. Brown

It's only been out 7 months and in that time there have been some considerable improvements, so maybe in a couple of years we'll be looking back and wondering what all the fuss was about . . .

Hi Ian,

With all due respect, it's comments like these that make me (and perhaps every other pro editor on this forum) wonder if the prosumers, amateurs, enthusiasts etc. really understand why we are so mad about this application. "maybe in a couple of years" adds up to a countless amount of jobs that we must suffer through, pulling our hair (what's left of it) and losing hours (DAYS!) of sleep watching that damm beachball!

Feb 8, 2012 2:09 PM in response to Paul Cuciti

Not at all!

It's a new comparatively untried and untested app and nobody forced you to stop using FCS 3 and buy it.

Anyone with any experience knows you don't buy the latest car, computer or app that appears on the market until it has proven itself.

Go back over a decade and FCP 1 was a pretty ropey app.

Everyone using Premiere and Avid wasn't jumping ship for the shining new FCP.

They carried on with the app they knew until FCP had sorted itself out.

I've known lots of folk who've bought a new camera to go on a once in a life-time holiday . . . . without testing it out . . . and a number have come back with some very disappointing results.

I agree that Apple was very naughty to ditch FCS 3 the way it did but it all comes back to the consumer warning, Caveat emptor.

Penn-Ohio Author

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Feb 8, 2012 2:18 PM in response to Paul Cuciti

"Ian R Brown" - - Great to hear of that nice performance on an older machine. im not expecting any issues with the new macbook pro i7 machine and thunderbolt display with fw800's for now. eventually i'll have thunderbolt drives but that's when they are popular and of course lower priced :-)

"Paul Cuciti" - - i share your frustration BUT lets face it, leading edge has a price tag AND along with some frustration and often a benefit. those on the leading edge usually have to pay the price of overpriced, often under workable and unfriendly, but they gain experience that is beyond those who sat back and waited for the best of the best. meanwhile those leading edgers often take the marketplace with their "new" toys and added benefits during the frustration. like for example, vincent laforie . . id never even heard of him till he shot the first video on the canon 5dm2 and now he's a household word and a legend.

"fcpx and the leading edge" - - for me i like leading edge, on the front lines of battle, and in the winners circle when the awards come out. the film im working on that is about an hours worth of pieces becasue all my actores from cleveland bailed out on me will certainly work better in fcp x AND i can cash in my current version of macpro and macbook pro before they become low priced dinosaurs and so, this move to faster processors, faster and easier "almost consumer like" gui's, faster hard drives, more powerful everything, equals one thing for me . . less gear to do the same work i had to do with a lot more gear and a lot easier with fewer steps. if that's bad, i guess im a bad boy then cuz i will prob never give up my SIRI unless something comes along and replaces it. we are in a fast paced leading edge business and if you want to stay on the back side of the wing, expect to fall off when the speed gets to fast. moreover, with regard to the future i say this.... "watch out for a couple kids with ipad's and iphones to win an academy award or sweep the next sundance film festival . . . because remember those same kids a few years ago did something similar with 8mm cameras that i almost got a shot at writing the sequael . . The Blair Witch Project"

Feb 9, 2012 7:05 AM in response to Ian R. Brown

It's a new comparatively untried and untested app and nobody forced you to stop using FCS 3 and buy it.

Just to be clear: nobody forced me to buy it and I have not (and do not plan on) stopped using FCS. In fact, that's why I posted my first comment. The original post seemed to want to ditch FCS and I offered a word of warning.

There is a small difference between cutting edge and bleeding edge, but when you're trying to make a living, you can't spend too much time licking your wounds. That being said, I wouldn't be here if I didn't think it was worth some effort. But you seem to miss the point that "a couple of years" is an eternity in this business.

When Final Cut first appeared on the market last century, they had nothing to lose. They could build the product at any speed they chose because the pros were happily working away on Avid & Media 100 & Stratasphere & countless other systems. (I jumped in on FCP3 and played until the program matured.)

You've heard it a thousand times by now; if Apple hadn't EOL'ed FCS everyone would be content to let this product mature.

I could go on, but why?

Feb 9, 2012 7:11 AM in response to Paul Cuciti

A couple of years was being pessimistic . . . . give it another 6 months.

Feb 9, 2012 7:18 AM in response to Ian R. Brown

Frankly, I'm surprised that the old FCS team hasn't started their own company yet.

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