will mountain lion run powerpc (rosetta)

I like the solution.......I was just wondering why they took Rosetta out in the second iteration of OSX after the switch to the intel chipset.....they could have just as easily left it in.

Will the solution work with Fusion??

n0irw wrote:

I like the solution.......I was just wondering why they took Rosetta out in the second iteration of OSX after the switch to the intel chipset.....they could have just as easily left it in.

Will the solution work with Fusion??

No they could not leave Rosetta in. Google it and read through the legalities of Rosetta and why Apple did not renew it's lease on the program. PPCs have been phased out over 7 years with Rosetta being a courtesy to those who were yet to update their software to Intel based software. 7 years is a long time for a company to warn people, but a handful ignored it and now Rosetta is only available in Snow Leopard, which is still a very stable system, just well outdayed now since there have been two new OSXs since.

Cheers

Pete

Well, Apple has been doing some major self inflicted throat cutting in the last year or so......The elimination of machine control in Final Cut X has cost them a hefty part of their user base of Final Cut. They were head and shoulders above everyone else then do something like that.

n0irw wrote:

Well, Apple has been doing some major self inflicted throat cutting in the last year or so......The elimination of machine control in Final Cut X has cost them a hefty part of their user base of Final Cut. They were head and shoulders above everyone else then do something like that.

Yes, but still one of the richest companies in the world, and that didn't come about by being stagnant with their OSX development and delivery, as well as their other forays into the mobile Market. FCP works for me under Lion.

Pete

n0irw wrote:

I like the solution.......I was just wondering why they took Rosetta out in the second iteration of OSX after the switch to the intel chipset.....they could have just as easily left it in.

Will the solution work with Fusion??

Be careful of the source of advice you are acquiring. Some people present here on this Forum are only interested in their approach to a problem and hence carry this prejudice into their advice.

There is no reason for anyone like yourself to consider that you were recalcitrant or otherwise negligent in your failure to know that your PowerPC applications would not work with Lion/Mountain Lion.

The beauty of Rosetta was that it was transparent. Apple performed a minor miracle when it migrated its user base from the PowerPC CPU architecture to the Intel world. No one using their inventory of existing PowerPC applications had to know or even care that they were written for a different CPU than the one in their new Intel Mac. The applications just ran!

When Apple's license to use the technology expired for versions of OS X commencing with Lion, the timing occurred at a particularly bad point for Apple's legacy consumers: the implimentation of iCloud required the upgrade to Lion and many older Macs could not run Lion. So you have many legacy users of Macintosh's unhappy about one or more of these occurrences, including now having PowerPC applications not running on Lion.

So it is easy to do some Apple-bashing without having knowledge of all the underlying facts.

The more disturbing question is posed by your next post: will Apple abandon its high end users in favor of the much greater numbers of new customers it has and continues to acquire as it moves toward a consumer user-like merger between OS X and iOS?

Most video editors I know do NOT upgrade to Final Cut X for reasons you are well aware of. The other high end users of Macs are taking a deep breath to see how and what the next Mac Pro will look like.

I have no particular skills in predicting the future, but my hope is that Apple will NOT abandon the high end. These users tend to be the most "creative" of all of Apple's users and historically it was these users that differentiated Macs over the alternatives. I believe that these users have value out of proportion to their numbers.

I do not work much with Fusion; my solution works with Parallels, for which I have used to run WIndows on my Intel Macs for many years. So I adopted its Rosetta solution in Parallels.

Yes but now it's gone.

Pete

Not exactly sure what you referred to when you talked about Fusion. But if you want VMware Fusion to work with Lion. For What It is Worth.

I just went through some effort to get VMware Fusion to work with Lion on a mid 2009 MBP. I bought VMware Fusion 3 when I first bought the MBP which was then Snow Leopard.

Now VMware prefers to sell VMware Fusion 4 to work with Lion. I no longer am as well off as I was when I first bought my MBP, and I am guessing that VMware will want me to buy VMware Fusion 5 when VMware gets that version working with Mountain Lion. So I do not want to buy VMware Fusion 4.

Why I posted is that while VMware Fusion 3.0 will not update to a later version, instead tries to tell me about version 4, VMware support was very kind about helping me to providing a link for VMware Fusion 3.1.4, which works with LIon. This version is not supposed to be as keen (?) as 4, but it does work without Rosetta.

I would not be surprised to find that this later version of VMware Fusion will die completely with Mountain Lion. I am also guessing that the security enhancements with Mountain Lion will cause me to install it within 4-6 months.

Cheers.

<<7 years is a long time for a company to warn people, but a handful ignored it and now Rosetta is only available in Snow Leopard, which is still a very stable system, just well outdayed now since there have been two new OSXs since.>>

You make it sound as if Apple are doing us a favour. Or that we are under some kind of obligation to buy new software (not to mention new computers to run it on).

Where is THEIR own obligation to support their loyal customer base by providing updates to ALL their OS systems? Or better still providing software which is sufficiently bug-free that it does not need updating.

After all, how many updates have you needed lately for your motor car, stereo system, or refrigerator?

When was the last time you were obliged to replace your washing machine simply because the manufacturer had a new model on the market and was no longer supporting yours?

If you buy a new house why should you be obligated to buy new furniture as well when the furniture from your old house is still quite serviceable, you are comfortable with it, including the antiques, and it would in any case cost you hundreds if not thousands of dollars to replace, all it out of your own pocket?

And when was the last time, when you went to replace your DVD player, you found your existing DVDs would no longer play in the new models, forcing you (if you did buy a new player) to go out and replace not only the player but your DVD library as well. (Assuming, of course, said new DVDs were even available for the new model.)

And that's just the ordinary individual. Now ask yourself now much it costs the average school, hospital, or government department to replace their dozens if not hundreds of computers and software every few years. Then ask yourself whether such a situation represents the most efficient use of your hard-earned taxes?

No wonder people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are billionaires.

Stephen 321, While I might like a lot of Snow Leopard better than Lion. I felt Lion was faster and more snappy than Snow Leopard. Maybe because Lion did not drag along all that Rosetta.

I might be surprised that Mountain Lion will be the last Apple OS that will install on my MBP, which only leaves me five years of security updates and improvements. My only hope is to win the lottery so I can buy the latest Apple products when they come out.

Should we call Apple products the cutting edge of the industry, or luxury products?

Well said Stephen, some nice analogies there. I particularly liked the one about antique furniture: some of my antique programs have functionallity that the new ones don't have. Of course, I have ditched 95% of my antique programs and I am hugely grateful for the progress. However, as I pointed out above, the Classic Apps Cricket Graph and MacDraw Pro are infinitely superior, for my purposes, to any graphing and drawing program available for Macs today.

Please note that I said "for my purposes." I have a similar relationship with my Sharp EL5831 electronic calculator which I bought in 1983. It has about 30 functions, and I use about 20 regularly. On the market today I have the choice of a basic calculator with five functions, or a scientific calculator with 1000 functions, 980 of which I would never use. The trouble is that any calculation takes several fold more key strokes on the 1000-function calculator than on my EL5831. Likewise, if I want a "find by file" search in Snow Leopard I can almost instantaneously hit command-shift-F. But in Lion I must hit command-F, then remove my hands from the keyboard, and use the mouse to click in the search box and navigate the drop down menu. This action thus takes about 10 times longer to perform in Lion. This is not progress. The added functionallity in Lion just clouds my vision. I would laugh but this is not a laughing matter.

MlchaelLAX wrote:

n0irw wrote:

I like the solution.......I was just wondering why they took Rosetta out in the second iteration of OSX after the switch to the intel chipset.....they could have just as easily left it in.

Will the solution work with Fusion??

Be careful of the source of advice you are acquiring. Some people present here on this Forum are only interested in their approach to a problem and hence carry this prejudice into their advice.

And you don't, with your one and only (repetitious) post?

Stephen321 wrote:

Now ask yourself now much it costs the average school, hospital, or government department to replace their dozens if not hundreds of computers and software every few years. Then ask yourself whether such a situation represents the most efficient use of your hard-earned taxes?

No wonder people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are billionaires.

Stephen, sorry, I got carried away above and forgot to say what I originally intended. The government are wise to this, at least some departments. The National Institutes of Health has extremely strict policies restricting the purchase of personal computers. Off topic, I know, but just to set the record straight. Also, most of the places you mention use Windows machines, which certainly used to be backward compatible. Mac is moving from a productivity tool to the luxury faffing about side of things, as pointed out above. Why not, they owe it to the share holders if that's were the money is, who can blame them. Not me.

Csound1 wrote:

MlchaelLAX wrote:

Be careful of the source of advice you are acquiring. Some people present here on this Forum are only interested in their approach to a problem and hence carry this prejudice into their advice.

And you don't, with your one and only (repetitious) post?

No: I do not go out of my way to needlessly disparage other solutions to the OP's problem.

Must I really have to explain to you that it is NOT repetitious to the OP?

<<I felt Lion was faster and more snappy than Snow Leopard. >>

I imagine much would depend on the hardware you ran it on. I once upgraded a Mac which had come with Panther to Tiger only to find that a machine what had run like a cheetah with Panther crawled like an arthritic snail under Tiger! :-(

To be fair, Tiger ran far sprightlier later on, but only AFTER I had gone out and bought a brand new machine which came with it pre-installed.

And therein lies the problem. When you upgrade an OS chances are you going to have to upgrade the hardware as well, especially if the OS upgrade skips over two or three intervening versions. Your existing hardware is (probably) not going to cut it. If on top of that you have to upgrade the apps as well it can become a highly expensive business.

MlchaelLAX wrote:

Csound1 wrote:

MlchaelLAX wrote:

Be careful of the source of advice you are acquiring. Some people present here on this Forum are only interested in their approach to a problem and hence carry this prejudice into their advice.

And you don't, with your one and only (repetitious) post?

No: I do not go out of my way to needlessly disparage other solutions to the OP's problem.

Must I really have to explain to you that it is NOT repetitious to the OP?

It will as soon as he returns, but you are as free to post your approach as anyone else, so carry on.