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  • Lawrence Finch Level 7 (34,951 points)

    Takeitasumay wrote:



    Let's not forget that they CAN GIVE 16gb but they chose to rob us the consumer.

    End of!!

    Darn it, some people just don't get it. YOUR PHONE HAS 16 GB!!!!! But when it is reported on the phone itself it is expressed in base 2 GB, not base 10 GB. IT IS THE SAME AMOUNT OF MEMORY!


    If you go to the store and buy 1 pound of apples do you feel cheated if you get only 0.45 Kilograms of apples? It's exactly the same thing; just a different measurement systems for the same quantity.


    For those who forgot 6th grade science, 1 kilogram is 2.2 pounds. Dividing 1 by 2.2 you will find that 1 pound is 0.45 kilograms or 450 grams.


    Maybe you would feel better if instead of getting only 1 measly pound of apples you got 450 grams of apples. Obviously 450 times as much apple. Sheesh!

  • boboatpoint Level 1 (0 points)

    Exactly. Unless people want to live in anarchy instead of paying tax and a phone without any operating system, they can go ahead.

  • Takeitasumay Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok let's put it that way apple expert.

    I want 16gb capacity, usable, sole use, minus the

    Jibba jabba.

    No matter what you say I know it's common sense that

    Hardcore apple geniuses refuse to comprehend.


    Use 4gb for all the jibba and 16gb or whatever

    For my memory.


    By the way I have done 3 1/2 year computing to comprehend.

    People who spend the hard earn 9-5 get it.

    You don't cause you're in the bubble my friend.

  • stedman1 Level 9 (69,679 points)

    You do realize this is not an "Apple" issue right? Every mass storage device will show the exact same discrepancy.

  • boboatpoint Level 1 (0 points)

    If they really have problem with apple, switch to Samsung and you will be pleasantly 'surprised'. Have fun withy the 4 GB avg available space of it.

  • raymond73 Level 4 (1,535 points)

    By the way I have done 3 1/2 year computing to comprehend.

    You just confirmed what everyone has trying to explain. You claim 3.5 years computing yet your comprehension of the issue indicates perhaps 0.3  years of comprehension. Where did the other 3.2 years go?

  • Lawrence Finch Level 7 (34,951 points)

    Takeitasumay wrote:


    By the way I have done 3 1/2 year computing to comprehend.

    People who spend the hard earn 9-5 get it.

    You don't cause you're in the bubble my friend.

    Well, don' apply to MY company for a job if that's all you got out of 3 1/2 years. I have interns with 3 month's education who know more than you.

  • MiikeDavid Level 1 (0 points)

    you say that 16GB is 14.9GB in base 2, Pagal is asking why his phone has a capacity (maximum storage space) of 13.6gb, now, considering the fact that i'm 19 and have no technical experience in this category, (recently completed a college course about games development, a total shambles btw) i understand what he's trying to say.


    14.9GB is the total capacity of a 16GB device when it is measured in base 2, this wasn't disputed. what was disputed was the capacity of the internal memory, Pagal states that his 4s has a capacity of 13.6GB, he also states that he owns other apple products that state the capacity as (what he would think is) normal e.g. a 64GB ipod stating its capacity as 64GB (seems wrong to me as no storage device is truly what its advertised to be as previously stated, I'm guessing its measured differently) his 4s stated its capacity as 13.6GB, 16GB in base 2 is 14.9GB which means there is 1.3GB missing, this could be taken up by the OS and pre-installed apps as most of you have stated however as pagal stated, a capacity of something can never change e.g. say you have an empty 10 liter bucket, you fill 2 liters of it with water (this being the OS) then add another 4.5 liters of water  (apps and such things added by the user) there is 3.5 liters of space left but the total capacity is still 10 liters. What pagal is trying to say is that the OS and pre-installed apps shouldn't change the total capacity which means the phone isn't stating the capacity that his phone should have.


    If the 4s doesn't take the OS and pre-installed apps into account when displaying the devices capacity then it should state so.

  • wycliffe9194 Level 1 (0 points)

    I only just caught on to this issue. I found this thread because I wanted to know whether some of the internal memory of my iPhone 5s (nominal 16GB, reported actual memory in "About": 12 GB) had gone missing.


    I understand the idea of the difference between binary and decimal calculations of 1GB and how the OS and other static bits of memory use exclude some of the storage from use by the user. I get all that. What I don't get is why the pointy-heads don't see the problem of having 2 systems of measurement. Remember the international space probe that failed because the Europeans boffins used metric and the US geniuses used imperial measurements, and nobody on either side of the pond noticed? Until it all went pear-shaped and somebody worked it out, that is. It was never reported, but I bet some heated words were exchanged across the ditch.


    This is not on the same level of critical importance, but it illustrates the consumer-relations issue. If you're going to market one system, you should have the metrics in your system ***do the conversion internally*** so that what the user sees is what they expect to see. It only takes a short bit of programming to insert a binary-to-decimal converter, and a little more to add the static bits to the notified use. When the user sees 16bn bytes (give or take a rounding-up), then sees that X bytes are used for processes (a), (b), (c), (d) etc, so that Y bytes are left over, the manufacturer no longer has a PR problem. But if it takes research and collar-heat dissipation devices to find out that devices are marked in decimal GB but do their internal reckoning on binary GB and hide what is used for indispensable OS use, you have a PR problem, not a tech problem.


    Trouble is, pointy-heads don't "get" the problems the rest of us have with what seems "obvious" to them. So we get consumers feeling duped and ranting, while techies get insulting about their intelligence. The consumer may have just as much intelligence, but their "personal OS" just works a little differently. OK? Geddit?

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