MS Sans Serif font missing

Mike, MSSS is a font I also keep, it comes with the system and has a rich repertoire, e.g. as compared with Gentium.

It is not clear why your regular documents are affected once imported in Pages,but note that, any import, from any app into any app, is never perfect. May be a bug with Pages but, on the other hand, perhaps the sender should consider sending PDF files or a more common font like Arial.

Hello Dale

It would be a very good advice because, as I wrote, MS Sans Serif is not available in Window 7…

Here I repeat my list of mono spaced fonts because :

(1) yesterdays I forgot some available ones

(2) I striked monofur because FontBook report some oddities in this couple of fonts.

Andale Mono (659 glyphs)

AurulentSansMono-Regular (267 glyphs)

Chicago (433 glyphs)

Consolas (2731 glyphs)

Courier New (3151 glyphs)

Courier Std Medium (374 glyphs)

CPMono_v07 (361 glyphs)

DejaVu Sans Mono (3161 glyphs)

Droid Sans Mono (612 glyphs)

Free Monospaced (2576 glyphs)

Inconsolata (359 glyphs)

Inconsolata-dz (294 glyphs)

Latin Modern Mono 10 Regular (740 glyphs)

Latin Modern Mono Light 10 Regular (740 glyphs)

Latin Modern Mono Light Cond 10 Regular (740 glyphs)

Liberation Mono (663 glyphs)

Menlo Regular (3157 glyphs)

Monaco (1678 glyphs)

monofur (675 glyphs)

Monoxil (275 glyphs)

OCR A Std (270 glyphs)

Prestige Elite Std (374 glyphs)

TeX Gyre Cursor (1242 glyphs)

Tiger (1388 glyphs)

Tiger Expert (1172 glyphs)

Verily Serif Mono (244 glyphs)

I'm a bit puzzled by the problems reported upon monofur because it's available since year 2000 thru dafont.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 27 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

I apologize but you are wrong.

May you tell me where ?

Apple deliver : Microsoft Sans Serif.ttf

which is not a monospaced font.

The list of fonts delivered by Lion is available at :

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5098?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

The fonts delivered with M…oSoft Office are :

Abadi MT Condensed Extra Bold

Abadi MT Condensed Light

Andale Mono

Arial Black

Arial Bold Italic.ttf

Arial Bold.ttf

Arial Italic.ttf

Arial Narrow

Arial Rounded Bold

Arial.ttf

Baskerville Old Face

Batang.ttf

Bauhaus 93

Bell MT

Bernard MT Condensed

Book Antiqua

Bookman Old Style

Bookshelf Symbol 7.ttf

Braggadocio

Britannic Bold

Brush Script.ttf

Calibri Bold Italic.ttf

Calibri Bold.ttf

Calibri Italic.ttf

Calibri.ttf

Calisto MT

Cambria Bold Italic.ttf

Cambria Bold.ttf

Cambria Italic.ttf

Cambria Math.ttf

Cambria.ttf

Candara Bold Italic.ttf

Candara Bold.ttf

Candara Italic.ttf

Candara.ttf

Century Gothic

Century Schoolbook

Century

Colonna

Comic Sans MS

Consolas Bold Italic.ttf

Consolas Bold.ttf

Consolas Italic.ttf

Consolas.ttf

Constantia Bold Italic.ttf

Constantia Bold.ttf

Constantia Italic.ttf

Constantia.ttf

Cooper Black

Copperplate Gothic Bold

Copperplate Gothic Light

Corbel Bold Italic.ttf

Corbel Bold.ttf

Corbel Italic.ttf

Corbel.ttf

Curlz MT

Desdemona

Edwardian Script ITC

encodings.dir

Engravers MT

Eurostile

Footlight Light

Franklin Gothic Book Italic.ttf

Franklin Gothic Book.ttf

Franklin Gothic Medium Italic.ttf

Franklin Gothic Medium.ttf

Gabriola.ttf

Garamond

Georgia

Gill Sans MT Bold Italic.ttf

Gill Sans MT Bold.ttf

Gill Sans MT Italic.ttf

Gill Sans MT.ttf

Gill Sans Ultra Bold

Gloucester MT Extra Condensed

Goudy Old Style

Gulim.ttf

Haettenschweiler

Harrington

himalaya.ttf

Impact

Imprint MT Shadow

Kino

Lucida Blackletter

Lucida Bright

Lucida Calligraphy

Lucida Console.ttf

Lucida Fax

Lucida Handwriting

Lucida Sans Typewriter

Lucida Sans Unicode.ttf

Lucida Sans

Marlett.ttf

Matura Script Capitals

Meiryo Bold Italic.ttf

Meiryo Bold.ttf

Meiryo Italic.ttf

Meiryo.ttf

MingLiU_HKSCS-ExtB.ttf

mingliu_hkscs.ttf

MingLiU-ExtB.ttf

MingLiU.ttf

Mistral

Modern No. 20

monbaiti.ttf

Monotype Corsiva

Monotype Sorts

MS Gothic.ttf

MS Mincho.ttf

MS PGothic.ttf

MS PMincho.ttf

MS Reference Sans Serif.ttf

MS Reference Specialty.ttf

msyi.ttf

MT Extra

News Gothic MT

Onyx

Palatino Linotype Bold Italic.ttf

Palatino Linotype Bold.ttf

Palatino Linotype Italic.ttf

Palatino Linotype.ttf

Perpetua Bold Italic.ttf

Perpetua Bold.ttf

Perpetua Italic.ttf

Perpetua Titling MT

Perpetua.ttf

Playbill

PMingLiU-ExtB.ttf

PMingLiU.ttf

Rockwell

Rockwell Extra Bold

SimHei.ttf

SimSun-ExtB.ttf

SimSun.ttf

Stencil

Tahoma

taile.ttf

TaiLeb.ttf

Times New Roman Bold Italic.ttf

Times New Roman Bold.ttf

Times New Roman Italic.ttf

Times New Roman.ttf

Trebuchet MS

Tw Cen MT Bold Italic.ttf

Tw Cen MT Bold.ttf

Tw Cen MT Italic.ttf

Tw Cen MT.ttf

Verdana Bold Italic.ttf

Verdana Bold.ttf

Verdana Italic.ttf

Verdana.ttf

Wide Latin

Wingdings 2.ttf

Wingdings 3.ttf

Wingdings.ttf

MS Reference Sans Serif is no more a monospaced font.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 27 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

(1) I repeat, Lion install MicroSoft Sans Serif, not MS Sans Serif !

Is it so difficult to look at the list delivered by Apple ? (I gave its link).

(2) I wrote :

The fonts delivered with M…oSoft Office are :

Abadi MT Condensed Extra Bold

…

MS PMincho.ttf

MS Reference Sans Serif.ttf

MS Reference Specialty.ttf

I assumed that it was clear. Isn’t it ?

(3) A quick search on the net would teach you that many users searching for MS Sans Serif.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 27 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

• MS Sans Serif is not the same as Microsoft Sans Serif.
• MS Sans Serif is a bitmap font. Microsoft Sans Serif is based on MS Sans Serif but is a TrueType font.
• MS Reference Sans Serif is a different TrueType font.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Sans_Serif

Have you tested that your version of Microsoft Sans Serif is exactly the same as the Ms Sans Serif that was used in the original program that created the club bulletin (I assume MsWord for Windows)?

This is the problem of not using an independent, fixed format like .pdf which has fonts embedded. Likelihood, is the fonts are different and the rendering methods definitely are,

Suggest to the bulletin publishers that they don't use a proprietry format and print to .pdf instead. Even Windows users can manage that. Tell them there is the added benefit that the layout can be locked, tamperproof and smaller file size.

Peter

If someone is sending out a club bulletin the sender should make sure that everyone can read it as it is. PDF is the format for that. If PC users complains that they can't open a PDF the haven't downloaded the free Acrobat reader.

You can still have pagination problems even if you have the same font as the Sender. Pages doesn't translate the Word documents perfectly. MS Sans Serif is a Microsoft font and comes with some of their products.

It might or might not get the pagination wrong. It depends on which features used when creating the document.

My strong view is that the Sender has the obligation to make sure everyone who he/she wants to read the bulletin, should use a format or supply with alternatives, to make sure it can be read. The reader shouldn't be the one to adjust to the senders restricted view on which format or font to use. You have to ask for a pdf version at least. You can open in Preview, PC user have to get Adobe reader but they usually already have it on their computers.

I can't see it a a defeat on your part. Maybe I can see it on the senders part thoguh.

No it is not an admission of defeat on the part of Macs.

I was having these silly debates about having the free Acrobat Reader on PCs 15 years ago. Microsoft deliberately made life difficult for .pdfs and encouraged admins to not support it. For a long time it stopped font embedding in .pdfs and provided no way to print to .pdfs. It even came up with its own version of .pdfs which was a real flop. Just to **** in everyone else's soup!

I thought those days were long gone.

It is however absurd to assume that everyone has the NOT free Microsoft Word (Windows version only) on their computers. If they are such troglodites what happens when they only have old versions of MsWord, or only Windows ME, and monitors that only display 16 colors, which is what I had to face? Or it turns out they have the cheap OEM MsWorks and not MsWord?

As far as the font goes OSX is extremely tolerant and will accept the font copied from the Windows machines, presuming they have the same version amongst them. Probably don't.

Peter

I call it a defeat because my Macs can't handle such a document without third party software or requesting the sender to do something which all the Windows members don't need. This is the kind of problem which helps put people off Macs.

Can you tell me why the Windows user should not try to make it work for everyone? Mac users are always good at being compatible with the Windows users but not vice versa. It isn't a defeat on your part. You have several applications that can open a Word document on your computer. It will not always be a perfect match but often good enough. Windows users can't open Mac documents if they aren't created in a format that Window apps understand like .doc or .rtf or .pdf. Even using MS word for Mac doesn't always create a perfect match on the Windows machine.

You only have a font problem here. MS Word fonts are not free. You could ask them to use a font that is common for both platforms.

When I open it with Pages I get a warning that MS Sans Serif is missing, and I replace it with Microsoft Sans Serif.

Have you tried substituting Arial or Helvetica rather than Microsoft Sans Serif? Or a "fixed width" version of Arial or Helvetica if you have it?

The problem you're likely experiencing is caused by MS Sans Serif being a fixed width (bitmap) font where Microsoft Sans Serif is a flexible (vector) TrueType font. MS Sans Serif is just a grid of pixels, so substituting a TrueType font that does not match this grid and can better resize itself, will cause the document to look different.

I have to wonder why a person is using MS Sans Serif to create a newsletter. MS Sans Serif is a Windows system font designed to for menus and windows on a screen. It was never meant to be printed or for reading text in documents. Can you gently suggest to the author they move into the last couple of decades and use a font that is more appropriate, readable (enjoyable) and widely available?

NB MS Sans Serif is actually a copy of Helvetica specially designed for the menus and windows used by Windows 3.1 to 98. And Arial is also a copy of Helvetica.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Sans_Serif