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Illogical Apple ID Password Rules

Hello,

I am pulling my hair out about Apple's illogical way of thinking.

I tried for minutes to create a password for a new Apple ID, of course the session had timed out a couple of times 😠 until I realized that a "capital letter" does not qualify as a "letter".

I may add that I have a Ph.D in physics and that I thought that I knew what logical thinking was.

So,

"A1234567"

"AB123456"

are not accepted.

It has to be

"aB123456"

I would have expected that the following logics apply:

1. Assumption:

The main set is "letters" which contains two sub-sets, "upper case letters" and "lower case letters".

2. Conclusion:

Because "upper case letters" are members of the set "letters", "upper case letters" are "letters".

Obviously, the Apple "kids" are not making the same assumption.

Am I missing the point ?

Regards,

Twistan

Mac mini (Mid 2010), Mac OS X (10.7.3)

Posted on Mar 7, 2012 1:42 AM

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Twistan Author

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Posted on Mar 8, 2012 2:26 PM

Hi (moin, moin),

good on you, mum's the word !

I have a primary Apple ID which I created only a few weeks ago and that has a password with only cyphers.

Regards,

Twistan

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Sep 16, 2015 12:51 PM in response to HACKINT0SH

You think that's bad? I can log in on the computer but NOT when I'm on my phone? Personally I think the password rules are much too complicated to use on a phone keyboard. I can't get anything to work on my phone because of the complexity of the passwords.

Sep 29, 2015 4:18 PM in response to Twistan

Untill today I was forced to change my 6 digit numerical only Apple ID password i have had for the past 7 years i honestly do not worry about being "Hacked" but considering how may friggin times I have to put this password into all of my apple products the simpler the better it not like anyone can do much if they did log into your Apple ID keychain has a different password so we should at least have a choice how strong we want our password

ChitlinsCC

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Sep 29, 2015 4:56 PM in response to ProstheticAIM

Exactly WHAT forced you to change your password? (BTW, I have had a 7 character password here in the past) I think that Apple has adopted what all responsible membership sites have done and now require a password that contains at least 1 of each - lowercase, UPPERCASE & numeral.

Did you get an official 'looking' email purportedly from Apple? Something about Account Security being compromised and - Click HERE ??

If so - AND you actually followed the path to somewhere that did NOT end in "... apple.com" - you have not been 'hacked' - you have been CONNED into giving them your Apple ID credentials.

Oct 1, 2015 3:10 AM in response to ChitlinsCC

lol I love how you jump to I was hacked via a dodgy email but no it was a iTunes internal pop up when I logged into a new iTunes update and it said for security reasons you need to update your password I then said pifft bugger off I like mine hit cancel then iTunes locked my account forcing me to update to a silly over protective password with no choice then I had to enter it no less than 17 times consecutively to update the passwords on all my devices not including the times I incorrectly typed the password and if I ever want to download an app gone from 7 key presses to 14 key presses with shift and char select

iPhone - phone, iTunes, iCloud

iPad Air - iPad, iTunes, iCloud

iPad Air 2- iPad,iTunes,iCloud

Apple Tv - home sharing, App Store

MAcBook Pro - iTunes, iCloud, iMessage, App Store

WIndows - iTunes, iCloud

15 key presses to sign in 17 times equals 255 key presses it just frustrated me as I enter this password a lot I wanted it simple and fast

IF it was just being responsible it would simply tell you how secure your password is not be overbearing and force you to use the specified encryption

What is next?Manditory for a phone unlock a alphanumeric with capital letter special char and 8 digits minimum

ChitlinsCC

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20,924 points

Oct 1, 2015 8:09 AM in response to ProstheticAIM

All good points.

What is going on with your various incarnations of the Apple "Keychain" - a staple of OSes for a very long time? With it (them), one could conceivably have a 'passPHRASE' of Many characters remembered for you and auto-populated when needed.

as we users have no say in the matter, you could provide your opinions directly to Apple:

Product Feedback

Support Feedback

best of luck

Aug 12, 2017 9:58 AM in response to Twistan

This is happening to me. I found an accurate password that meets the criteria but is to weak so it won't let me use it. Anyone know how to make the password work?

Aug 12, 2017 12:55 PM in response to Twistan

What is confusing? You need a lower case letter and an upper case letter in the password. Obv you should capitalize a random letter in the middle rather than the first or last:

Illogical Apple ID Password Rules