Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:21 AM (in response to turbodelta)
For now they have only announced 4g for USA and Canada. and yes the Verizon is 700 mhz 4g while the at&t is 700 and 2100 mhz.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:29 AM (in response to lvmedic3214)
But Apple is advertising 4G also in germany without excluding it.
Also a guy from the Apple Store (telephone) told me it will work in germany.
If it is not working, in my oppinion this would be a deliberate deception!
Apple should give a clear statement on this whether it works or not.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:34 AM (in response to Romano81)
yes, even on the Italian website they are advertising the new Ipad as being 4G compatible around the world, but the issue of different frequencies is not even mentioned!
it would be important to have some official information from Apple regarding this...I'm scared they are trying to use the excuse that HSPA+ = 4G since many countries still don't have a 4G network....
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:37 AM (in response to turbodelta)
AT&T is doing that very thing in the USA. That is how they are trying to compete with Verizon by calling their HSPA+ 4g.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:43 AM (in response to lvmedic3214)
wow...way to fool your customers
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:46 AM (in response to turbodelta)
People today with iPhone 4s on AT&T upgraded to iOS 5.1 and suddenly their phones said they had 4g signal even though the 4s doesn't have LTE antennas. AT&T is pawning off HSPA+ as 4g
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:48 AM (in response to turbodelta)
You are seeing the problems that come up almost every time there is a new communication protocol used in draft and initial form. Sprint has been advertising a 4G network for a couple years, even though the protocol was in VERY draft form and there actually was no true 4G network. We saw this with teh IEEE 802.11n amendment to the wireless protocol, used in draft for two years by companies, with a lot of equipment released that was not compliant with the final protocol...and that stuff is still in use and causing big problems for many users.
While 4G is being advertised, just saying 4G doesn't tell the whole story. One needs to understand how that protocol is being applied by consumer hardware and the carrier. Are they in reality matching up as they should. It is not deception but application of a protocol that has options in it that can be picked and chosen for an individual application.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:48 AM (in response to lvmedic3214)
yeah, I read about that, quite ridiculous if you ask me...
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:50 AM (in response to lvmedic3214)
Ok, now that actually would be deceptive practice
I was being too fair before.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 3:55 AM (in response to Ralph Landry1)
I guess they can call it 4g or 5 g whatever they want but AT&T has only limited LTE in certain cities in the USA. Verizon has many more cities with LTE but AT&T is trying to boast that they have the largest 4g network. That may be so but Verizon has the largest LTE network.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 4:03 AM (in response to turbodelta)
The new iPad can use 1G, 2G, 3G and 4G networks.
This means that the new iPad will use whatever network signal is available up to and including 4G networks.
Check out the specs here: http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
You can therefore even use your iPad on GSM or EDGE networks, but that Internet connection is frustratingly slow. From personal experience I suggest that you use your iPad in an area where at least a 3G network signal is available for comfortable Internet surfing.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 4:06 AM (in response to lvmedic3214)
Unfortunate part of advertising is that the consumer isn't going to (average consumer that is) look at the specs of the hardware, specs of the service offered, and determine that they are actually what is claimed. That is why we have standards and protocols, but still suppliers can and do cheat.
I have Verizon which is great on the East Coast of the US, visit places in the Midwest and find signal-dead spots. So the consumer has to evaluate where they will spend the majority of their time and figure out which supplier best serves them.
And it hs annoyed me for years that my chosen carrier does not support the standard in use in Europe, and I get hit with roaming charges there, but what can you do? Can't change carriers very easily every time you go somewhere.
Anyway, just some random thoughts.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 4:11 AM (in response to Ralph Landry1)
Verizon Phones won't even work outside of the USA. the rest of the world is on GSM. Verizon is CDMA
Currently Being ModeratedMar 8, 2012 4:12 AM (in response to Apfelwurm)
yes you can use anything up to 4G...but when the actual product is not compatible with 4G network frequencies outside of the US (the same goes for the iPads sold outside the US), they should be advertised as such, mentioning that the new iPad's 4G LTE network is only compatible with US frequencies...
Apple knew that the European Union was going to use 800mhz and 2600mhz, it's not something that was decided weeks ago, but years ago...so I don't know what their plan is...