Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library

As stated in the subject line, I don't understand the differences between these (3) items that appear on my iPhone.

iPhone 4, iOS 5.0.1

Posted on Apr 1, 2012 3:35 PM

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Posted on Dec 13, 2013 2:56 PM

Any photo I take with the iPad camera, first goes into the CAMERA ROLL, then a copy also goes into my PHOTO STREAM. This creates two copies of the same photo.


Because you have Photo Stream enabled, which is a way to have the photos captured or saved by one device available on other devices with the same Apple ID and allows for transferring the photos to your computer automatically with Photo Stream enabled on your computer without having to import the photos.


If you don't need or want to use Photo Stream it is quite simple, turn it off.


I pulled a photo from a Web site. I did a hold on the photo with my stylus, and selected COPY. It only shows up in CAMERA ROLL. When I select it and try the ADD TO, I have no way to put it in my PHOTO STREAM. I can add it to any existing FOLDER or create a new one.


There is not an option to do so and there is no reason to do so since photos captured or saved by the device which are stored in the Camera Roll will be added to your Photo Stream automatically when the device is connected to an available wi-fi network.


I Just attached my SD Card Reader attachment, and when I selected the photos for IMPORT, they all went to my PHOTO STREAM. None went to the CAMERA ROLL. Also equally confusing is that there are three import folders, all with copies of my photos imported from my SD card: IMPORTED PHOTOS & VIDEOS, LAST IMPORTED, & ALL IMPORTED.


As already provided, the first is not supposed to happen and can't happen unless you are importing the photos while the iPad is connected to an available wi-fi network. I don't believe photos imported by a camera or from an SD card using the Camera Connection Kit are imported to the iPad's Camera Roll. They are imported to or stored in Imported Photos and must be placed there first before the photos are transferred to your Photo Stream.


I tried to delete these, but I've seen photos disappear sometimes (not always) from my PHOTO STREAM. When I delete from one IMPORT folder, the image is deleted from all three, if they are in them. It seems to also disappear from my CAMERA ROLL.


Photo Stream is temporary with a maximum of 1,000 photos and 30 days.


There is a primary import folder for imported photos and a recent import to view the most recent imported photos. Deleting a photo from the recent import album should not delete the original from the primary import folder.


Deleting a photo from a user created photo album does not delete the original photo stored in the Camera Roll or from wherever the original photos is stored.


When I copy a photo from PHOTO STREAM to a FOLDER, existing or new, a copy is also put into my CAMERA ROLL.


Because the Photo Stream is temporary storage with the main Photo Stream library stored on the cloud. To place a photo that is in your Photo Stream in a user created album, a local copy must be stored first as already provided. In this case in the Camera Roll.


When i DELETE from my PHOTO STREAM, or any FOLDER, that is the only copy of a photo that is deleted.


Correct since the Photo Stream is completely separate from the Camera Roll and from your Import folder. As already provided, all photos in a user created album or folder are not duplicates as in taking up double the storage capacity. The photos in a user created album or folder include a pointer to the original photo stored in the Camera Roll. You can remove the copy in a user created album or folder without affecting the original stored in the Camera Roll, but if you delete the original stored in the Camera Roll all copies or pointers to the original will be removed as well.


When I DELETE from my CAMERA ROLL, it deletes the photo from every single folder, including the PHOTO STREAM in cases where I shot a photo from my iPad and it placed a copy there after it went to CAMERA ROLL first.

The first part is correct as already provided, but once a photo is in your Camera Roll and transferred to your Photo Stream, deleting the photo from your Camera Roll does not or should not touch the photo in your Photo Stream and vice-versa.


There is no folder called PHOTO LIBRARY. Do I just create it? When I go to settings and look at Photos App, I see that most of the space is taken up by CAMERA ROLL, and it shows PHOTO LIBRARY, but it is always empty.


As provided in my previous post, the Photo Library is for photos that were transferred from your computer via the iTunes sync process. If you don't have a computer and never transfer photos from a computer, you will never have a Photo Library.

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Jul 12, 2012 4:41 AM in response to Allan Sampson

Allan, much appreciate and clearer now. That's also great info about iTunes backing up the Camera Roll. So, I don't have to do that manually. Of course, I'm still scratching my head on a couple of points.


1. What's throwing me is that most photos were taken by a Canon digital camera--far more than by the iPhone. So, how the CR # ever got to 849 is beyond me.



2. On a 2nd iPhone, we've synched roughly the same iTunes folders, and the numbers are 239 in Camera Roll and 1,000+ in Photo Library. Will another sync jump the CR # dramatically on the 2nd iPhone? Or, will the # only go up if the photos being transferred were taken by that particular iPhone?



Ouch, my head hurts and this isn't even rocket science!! 🙂

Jul 29, 2012 3:49 PM in response to Allan Sampson

Thanks Allan,


So as I understand it, once I've imported all of my "Camera Roll" into my Iphoto, I can safely delete all of the items in the "Camera Roll"?


Currently I have two copies of each, which is taking up a lot of space on my Iphone.


Assuming the answer to my question is yes, is there any way I can do a check that all of the pics in my Camera Roll have in fact been imported? Or is this this the check that Itunes does each time I Sync my phone?


And finally, if I have said "No" to an import from my "Camera Roll", in the past, I assume that those images just sit in my "Camera Roll", and are not represented for importing - therefore, I would completely lose them if I empty my camera roll?

Jul 29, 2012 4:53 PM in response to neilfoy

You're welcome.


So as I understand it, once I've imported all of my "Camera Roll" into my Iphoto, I can safely delete all of the items in the "Camera Roll"?


Correct.


Assuming the answer to my question is yes, is there any way I can do a check that all of the pics in my Camera Roll have in fact been imported? Or is this this the check that Itunes does each time I Sync my phone?


After importing photos/vidoes from the Camera Roll with iPhoto, iPhoto will provide a prompt to delete the photos/videos from the Camera Roll. The prompt is not provided unless the photos/videos were imported by iPhoto.


iTunes does not handle the import of photos/videos from Camera Roll, and does not check the Camera Roll to ensure photos/videos were imported by a iPhoto. The iTunes sync process is completely seperate from the Camera Roll except for the Camera Roll being included with the iPhone's backup if the backup is done by iTunes.


And finally, if I have said "No" to an import from my "Camera Roll", in the past, I assume that those images just sit in my "Camera Roll", and are not represented for importing - therefore, I would completely lose them if I empty my camera roll?


If the photos have not been imported from the Camera Roll and they are deleted, they will be lost unless they are in the PhotoStream or included with your iPhone's backup. If not in the PhotoStream and not in your iPhone's backup or if your iPhone's backup is updated after the photos are deleted from the Camera Roll, they will be lost.

Jan 15, 2013 10:08 PM in response to Allan Sampson

I am syncing one album on my phone from itunes. That album has 139 pics. The photo library says 139 (it is correct). The album shows 131. When you open the album and scroll to bottom, it isays 139.


Why the heck is the album showing 131 and not 139! The Photo library is displaying it right. Driving me crazy.


I am not talking about the camera roll at all. Just the photo library and the single album I am syncing.


Further, I have synced this album to one other phone and ipad. Both say 139 for photo library and the album.


But one phone is saying 131 for the album... when there is 139 pics in it.


oiy!

Feb 19, 2013 1:53 PM in response to Allan Sampson

The text below, copied from above, makes no sense to me. What do I not understand. Here's the text:


If the photos have not been imported from the Camera Roll and they are deleted, they will be lost unless they are in the PhotoStream or included with your iPhone's backup. If not in the PhotoStream and not in your iPhone's backup or if your iPhone's backup is updated after the photos are deleted from the Camera Roll, they will be lost.


SO.........how would these photos "that have not been imported" show up in my "photo stream?" I still worry about what my photo library is. Thanks.

Feb 19, 2013 4:03 PM in response to martinwithaquestion

You're welcome.


You don't "capture" a photo from your iPhone. You "capture" a photo with your iPhone - the iPhone includes a camera. All photos captured or taken with the iPhone are saved in the iPhone's Camera Roll.


You should spend some time with the iPhone user guide regarding saving a photo from a received email, from a received text message/iMessage, or from a website.


http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/iphone_user_guide.pdf


This also covers the iTunes sync process to transfer music, podcasts, movies, tv shows, and audio and print books from your iTunes library on your computer to your iPhone.


Photos/videos in your iPhone's Camera Roll can be imported by your computer as with any other digital camera. This is not done with iTunes. This is done with iPhoto or with the Image Captue application on your Mac. Also covered in the iPhone user guide.

May 16, 2013 9:39 AM in response to hxn226

Photos/videos imported by your computer from your iPhone or from any digital camera or digital camera storage card are stored/saved on your computer's hard drive.


If you use iPhoto for this, the import is stored on your iPhoto database.


If you use the Image Capture application for this, the import is saved wherever you designate the import to be saved on your computer's hard drive with the application.

Sep 6, 2013 5:06 AM in response to Allan Sampson

So, I have discovered something odd about my iPhone photos. Not all of the photos I take go to my Photo Stream! I find them on my Camera Roll but not my photo stream. This creates a big problem when i want to view on a bigger screen like my iPad, which is how I can see the quality and whether it is worth printing. Why does this happen? How can I fix it?


I do not own a MAC but do have icloud set up on my desktop pc (I know, old school). None of my photos show up here, so I have problem when I want to save any of my photos (The only way I have figured is to email them to myself....my daughter said I should be able to hook up through usb port but again it is manual photo by photo). Any help eith this would be welcome.


Thanks.

Sep 23, 2013 4:33 AM in response to Allan Sampson

Thanks, Allan. After reading through all of the posts on this topic I think I managed not be totally confused. So, if I have Photo Stream and I want to clean up my iPhone from all the photos, I can delete from the Camera roll without affecting Photo Stream, but if I delete from Photo Stream, is the photo then totally deleted from both my phone and iPad?

Dec 13, 2013 1:14 PM in response to Allan Sampson

Can you then tell me why, when I put the SD card reader on my iPad, the photos go into the PHOTO STREAM instead of my CAMERA ROLL?


Why, when I create a folder and copy a file to it, does a copy go into CAMERA ROLL?


The reason I ask is that when I delete the duplicate from the CAMERA ROLL, it deletes it everywhere in the PHOTO LIBRARY, including every single folder it is in.


Why did Apple create such a convoluted system of storing images. With a couple of ADD commands, I could take up all available space as it makes copies upon copies.

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