S-Video or BNC

Hi all -

I have a rack set up with a router for:
-my FCP setup with DSR-40 deck
-SVHS deck
-my old school Avid setup
-my MPEG encoding computer

The "router" I have now is a dinky, 4x4 Ocean Matrix OMX-9057. This is an S-Video switcher.

I've come to a point where I need more than a 4x4 switcher. I'm having a hard time finding anything more than 4x4 in S video format.

So my question to you all is, what do you think about going to BNC? Or do you have anything else you recommend? And, probably the larger question here, when I'm editing in FCP, would I REALLY notice a difference using BNC or S-Video if I captured something through my rack into FCP (say VHS or something)

Thanks for your thoughts...

Carl

Dual G5 Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Posted on Mar 9, 2006 1:00 PM

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Mar 9, 2006 2:57 PM in response to Carl Sundermann

Svideo is more of a consumer connection. Although we all use it, most larger switchers will do much more than SVideo.
Svideo is nothing more than two BNCs - combined into one cute connection.
One set of the pins in an SVideo connector is the Chroma information - the other is the luminance.
You can buy breakout cables (usually called YC) to break the SVideo into both separate cables.

So, you could use a RGBHV switcher and just use two of the connections for SVideo. Or, you could use a RGB switcher and use two for svideo.
Composite is the combination of both of the separate signals in Svideo - combined into one connection.
Will you notice a difference - most people do on anything except VHS. You will notice that most VHS decks do not have an SVideo connection. Once we stepped into SuperVHS (SVHS) the technology allows the separation of the chroma and luminance - hence the Svideo connection.
We use the JVC SVHS deck - that has firewire i/o. This contains audio and video - without needing any additional analog to digital interface. You can also print back out to VHS/SVHS over firewire.

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?featureid=01&tree=&itempath=null&modelid=MDL101333
It's not the best editing deck - but it does work well with firewire device control.

The benefit of using an RGBHV or RGB switcher is that you might use if for switching other - higher quality sources.

Mar 10, 2006 9:25 AM in response to wwalker

Thanks for the tips...

I've seen that Sign Video switcher before... My question to you is, do you think that one is a little sketchy? I mean, the website is crummy, the unit looks like a playskool toy, and I can't find it on any other vendor's site (B&H, Full Compass).

The biggest one I can find on those sites is the 4x4 that I have.

That's the reason this comes up now... If I can't find 8x8 s-video switchers from B&H and others, that doesn't seem like it's a good sign... Maybe I'm wrong?

wwalker, thanks for that information... That explains a lot. But I'm confused by your second paragraph. If I did that, I don't understand how I could do two at one time to the same place. Is the switcher just smart enough so that if I would get this one:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=7 7407&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation
are you saying I could then use inputs 1 and 2 as the same source and be able to route them to say, 6 and 7?

I hope it makes sense of what I'm asking..

Thanks!

Mar 10, 2006 10:40 AM in response to Carl Sundermann

no - not like that.
On an HGBHV switcher - each input channel has 5 BNCs.
On an RGB switcher - each input channel has 3 BNCs.
Example:
Input 1 - has 5 BNCs - but you are only going to use 2 of them for SVideo.
Output 1 - has 5 BNCs - but you are only going to use 2 of them for SVideo.
Thus - in this scenario, you would route your video from input one to output 1.

I have this one in my studio - used in this same scenario - http://www.kramerelectronics.com/indexes/item.asp?pic=201

FYI:an 8x8 Svideo and audio switcher: http://www.kramerelectronics.com/indexes/item.asp?pic=385

Mar 10, 2006 1:24 PM in response to wwalker

OK, I get it. Thanks for the explaination. It makes a lot of sense now!

That Kramer 8x8 svideo would be perfect in my situation, except it appears that it's set up for balanced audio. Coming from my deck (and other devices...) I have unbalanced RCA connections. I guess I could look up how to wire an adapter. Unless there is one that is unbalanced already... I'll have to look.

Anyhow, thanks for the help.

Mar 10, 2006 3:38 PM in response to Carl Sundermann

If it's any help, the pin configuration for a 4 pin mini DIN connector (commonly called S-Video when used for video applications) is as follows:

PIN 1: Shield -
PIN 2: Shield -
PIN 3: Luma +
PIN 4: Chroma +

The pinout for the larger 7 pin locking Y/C connectors used by JVC and others is:

PIN 1: Luma +
PIN 2: Luma - (shield)
PIN 3: blank
PIN 4: blank
PIN 5: Chroma +
PIN 6: Chroma - (shield)
PIN 7: blank

If you're handy with a soldering iron, you can make your own breakout cables using the above pinouts as a guide.

-DH

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