1st gen iPad and iOS 6

However, the iOS does not function as a computer's OS, so the security issue is pretty much a mute point. No you won't be able to update apps when the developer chooses to make them only available for the current version of iOS. Isn't that a developer descision?

Dah•veed wrote:

However, the iOS does not function as a computer's OS, so the security issue is pretty much a mute point. No you won't be able to update apps when the developer chooses to make them only available for the current version of iOS. Isn't that a developer descision?

To a degree, yes. There have been security issues with iOS over the years, though, and they went unpatched for the devices left behind.

Either way, after all this discussion, I'm at the point where I know I am not going to throw down that kind of money as often as Apple wants me to. I'll use this iPad until it either no longer functions, or the apps I use are no longer secure (because security updates come in app updates with a higher iOS requirement) and then move on to a post-iPad life. I can probably extract more use out of it than the trade-in value, because the trade-in still requires me to throw in several hundred more dollars to get the equivalent current model. I'll pass. I'll let you guys run on that wheel for me. I can't justify trading in my current one, and throwing in another $600, when it appears I would be expected to do the same again in another 2 years.

OK, we can all accept that. No need to repeat it over and over.

Farewell, enjoy whatever new devices that you choose to use.

Dah•veed wrote:

OK, we can all accept that. No need to repeat it over and over.

Farewell, enjoy whatever new devices that you choose to use.

It wasn't a farewell post, but good luck to you as well.

I had hoped to quickly discover the actual technical constraints, but it seems nobody knows them yet. They may yet surface before iOS 6 comes out. I may still be unconvinced about the wisdom of a two year phasing out of devices, but at least true hardware issues would be more satisfactory an explanation than an attempt to drive up revenues and sales counts.

Apple knows the technical constraints, that is what their engineers are for. And it has been already stated it is a graphics/screen size limitation which requires much more RAM use than the smaller lower resolution 3Gs.

Actually there was already a sign of this. Use your iPad 1, go to the App Store and download and install iPhoto and Photoshop Elements. Let us know your results.

Ever hear of selling your iPad, Tekneek? It's incredibly smart, and if you do it at the right time you can get at least 60% return on your product towards a new product. Stop being so thick.

They claim to be "green" because of the materials they use, not their software practices. They use aluminium, no mercury, no BFR, and whatever else they list there.

To the person who was making comments abou tsecurity, iOS still will have a curated app store no matter what OS version you are on, keeping it the most secure OS of all.

HuskieN wrote:

Ever hear of selling your iPad, Tekneek? It's incredibly smart, and if you do it at the right time you can get at least 60% return on your product towards a new product. Stop being so thick.

They claim to be "green" because of the materials they use, not their software practices. They use aluminium, no mercury, no BFR, and whatever else they list there.

To the person who was making comments abou tsecurity, iOS still will have a curated app store no matter what OS version you are on, keeping it the most secure OS of all.

Hmmm. So, this is what you are expected to do with an iPad: Buy the model you want. Use it and enjoy it. Tell all your friends to buy one. Sell it within a year or two, so you can still throw in about 40% of the purchase price into a new one. Rinse and repeat. If that is what it is all about, it further reinforces why I shouldn't get into that game. I'm not mad about it. It is unfortunate that nobody told me that you were going to have to handle it that way before I bought one. I probably would've saved myself the trouble. It's a nice device, but that seems terribly absurd. I'm really not interested in the constant buying/trading/selling of devices. If I wanted to do that all the time, I'd be a stock trader.

As I said, the claim to be "green" was all about manufacturing and power consumption. We agree on that.

I was talking about the security. I know all about how the store works. I was involved in computer security before the first iPod was released, so I get that. I also know there have been security concerns about iOS and other apps over the years. Once you cannot get them, you're left with a less secure device running less secure apps as time goes by. That's reality. People in the security community have been poking Apple over this for years. That is probably the only area where Microsoft really outshines Apple, but it isn't enough to make me use their products much.

For example, I can't listen to Sticher radio and play Infinity Blade 2 at the same time.

This is up to the app developer. If Infinity Blade 2 includes sounds, the app developer is must provide an option to play music with a music streaming app or with the iPod during game play. Can you stream music with Sticher radio while doing other things such as checking/composing email, while web browsing with Safari, or while viewing photos with the Photos app?

Tekneek wrote:

Sell it within a year or two, so you can still throw in about 40% of the purchase price into a new one. Rinse and repeat.

The only reason you would need to do that is if you absolutely need iOS 6. If I were you, I would continue happily using my iPad on iOS 5. I understand you have security concerns, but these types of things happen over a long period of time. It would certainly last a lot longer than the time frame between the release of a product and dropped support for it. Perhaps if you elaborated more on these existing "security concerns" we could better address it to the best of our ability.

stevejobsfan0123 wrote:

The only reason you would need to do that is if you absolutely need iOS 6. If I were you, I would continue happily using my iPad on iOS 5. I understand you have security concerns, but these types of things happen over a long period of time. It would certainly last a lot longer than the time frame between the release of a product and dropped support for it. Perhaps if you elaborated more on these existing "security concerns" we could better address it to the best of our ability.

Obviously, I do not know about undiscovered security concerns, else I would be alerting the developers so that the updates might come out before iOS 6 could be a requirement. It is a hypothetical, which may or may not ever materialize.

It isn't that I *need* iOS 6 on my iPad. It is that I had no expectation that 2 years later, it would cease to get updates from Apple, and then probably progressively lose access to app updates as developers transition and make extensive use of iOS 6 features that are simply unavailable to those left behind. If Apple had told me they intended this, I would've stayed out of it. Foolish me this time. I learned an $800 lesson, but I won't be anxious to repeat it. Even if I traded or sold it, and then threw in a few hundred dollars to get a new one, will I just be repeating myself 2 years later anyway? I don't care about having the latest and greatest functionality, but access to security updates for something closer to the reasonable operational lifetime of the device would be nice.

iOS6 will not work in iPad 1G because Apple dont want. It's a marketing question.

iPad 1G was a insigned flag of tablets. But now, iPad 1G is old, is unsaleable, is awful, is dead!

I have two iPad 1G, and I'm very angry for this stupid decision of Apple. Oh, I've said stupid (sorry).

I dont want Apple censure me another post (An error occurred while trying to submit your post). ssshuuuuuu!

Best Regards! Boooooo to Apple! Bad decisions!

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-just-made-googles-android-look-really-stupi d-2012-6

According to Google's own numbers, a measly 7% of Android devices are running version 4.0, AKA "Ice Cream Sandwich." Keep in mind Google released Ice Cream Sandwich almost seven months ago.

And still, after seven months, a vast majority of Android devices don't run that software. And still, many of those devices never will, even some that were released less than a year ago. And still, there's been absolutely zero followup on Google's pledge last year to work with carriers and manufacturers to make sure Android devices stay up to date for at least 18 months.

Tekneek wrote:

HuskieN wrote:

Ever hear of selling your iPad, Tekneek? It's incredibly smart, and if you do it at the right time you can get at least 60% return on your product towards a new product. Stop being so thick.

They claim to be "green" because of the materials they use, not their software practices. They use aluminium, no mercury, no BFR, and whatever else they list there.

To the person who was making comments abou tsecurity, iOS still will have a curated app store no matter what OS version you are on, keeping it the most secure OS of all.

Hmmm. So, this is what you are expected to do with an iPad: Buy the model you want. Use it and enjoy it. Tell all your friends to buy one. Sell it within a year or two, so you can still throw in about 40% of the purchase price into a new one. Rinse and repeat. If that is what it is all about, it further reinforces why I shouldn't get into that game. I'm not mad about it. It is unfortunate that nobody told me that you were going to have to handle it that way before I bought one. I probably would've saved myself the trouble. It's a nice device, but that seems terribly absurd. I'm really not interested in the constant buying/trading/selling of devices. If I wanted to do that all the time, I'd be a stock trader.

As I said, the claim to be "green" was all about manufacturing and power consumption. We agree on that.

I was talking about the security. I know all about how the store works. I was involved in computer security before the first iPod was released, so I get that. I also know there have been security concerns about iOS and other apps over the years. Once you cannot get them, you're left with a less secure device running less secure apps as time goes by. That's reality. People in the security community have been poking Apple over this for years. That is probably the only area where Microsoft really outshines Apple, but it isn't enough to make me use their products much.

I hope that you're not foolishly suggesting that the original iPad will cease to function when the IOS-6 update is released.

Philly_Phan wrote:

I hope that you're not foolishly suggesting that the original iPad will cease to function when the IOS-6 update is released.

No, I don't think I was. I read it again and not sure how you might have drawn that conclusion. My apologies if something I typed caused you to think that. It was not intended. The death of the first generation iPad will probably be a slow one, depending on iOS 5 and application developers (and perhaps a few other variables).