retina display for 17 inch macbook pro

EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

1) Do the obvious at the top.

2) Type 17-inch retina MacBook Pro as the subject.

3) state your reasons in comments

4) send the feedback as an "Enhancement Request", and ALSO "Design/Ease of Use", and possibly "Configurability". This means you will do this three times. For Configurability, request for more hardware specs(i.e. more ram options, storage options, and CPU options, as well as 2GB Video Graphics card(Nvidia or ATI).

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That story also indicated that only the "first part" of the refresh of the MBP line might occur in 2013. It is possible that this is just what occurred, but that more has been planned. Apple has been known to keep a secret. Everyone admits it *might* not come back, but because thus far it hasn't, you seem perfectly sure it won't. It is quite thinkable that the 17" will be brought back, since the initial cause for its not being brought back is fading away (the inordinate production cost of bringing it back with Retina Display)... Whether this leads to it bringing brought back will become clear over the next year or two. Until then, why on earth wouldn't people who appreciate this product consider the possibility? I've seen Apple do far less likely things. E.g., I remember when Apple started to go to a clone market, and S. Jobs killed that--people were absolutely surprised, because the shift had been (according to many) "ineradicable" and "permanent" and a complete commitment to "changing the Apple business model". Well: not so much. This may not be that permanent or ineradicable a decision, either.

sers wrote:

That story also indicated that only the "first part" of the refresh of the MBP line might occur in 2013. It is possible that this is just what occurred, but that more has been planned. Apple has been known to keep a secret. Everyone admits it *might* not come back, but because thus far it hasn't, you seem perfectly sure it won't.

Don't put words in my mouth, especially your words.

I said (read carefully) There is no 17" model and no announced plans to replace it.

You can disagree with that, but it does not change the facts.

Because everyone already knows both a)that there is currently no 17" model being sold and b)that there are no announced plans to replace it; and because these two known truths condition the whole discussion, it remains difficult to fathom the point of repeating these observations which are in fact unchallenged by anybody. No one is talking principally about the past, nor principally about the present, but about what the future *might*--or *might not*--bring. Before doing this is one always obliged to say "There is no 17" model and no announced plans to replace it"? No, I am not saying you said that, I am simply asking what the point is in repeating these facts with which nobody disagrees (if we thought it were being sold, we wouldn't be wistful about it; if we knew it were coming, we'd be preparing to buy it, not chatting on this list).

sers wrote:

No one is talking principally about the past, nor principally about the present, but about what the future *might*--or *might not*--bring.

Exactly, they are speculating, and that is against the Terms of Use for this site. The same terms you agreed to and are now breaking.

"Constructive feedback about product features is welcome". A lot of what is written regarding the desire for a new 17" consists in lauding the features it has that we now feel are lacking in other products. I should think that would be licit? But also, discussing and recommending feature sets currently not offered by Apple is not prohibited. Still, I take your point that it can't be simple prognostication. But I would say most of my writing has been in the category of lauding/missing/recommending the return of the feature set. Your point is well taken though, that prognostication is somebody else's business, whereas the list is about features and performance and recommendations to Apple about the same (which does include: bring back the 17" MBP because, a, b, and c). It is also a thin line--it is somewhat natural, when recommending a feature set, to wonder about the practicality of the suggestion or whether it will be implemented.

I can't disagree with that.

But referring to an article that has already (simply by age) been found to be inaccurate hardly comes under the category of 'Constructive Criticism

Well, I can agree there are better lilies to gild than this article. I have been looking for a PC that would be the equivalent of the MBP, and none seem to me sufficient, although some get close. This nourishes the hope that a further refresh may be in prospect (and then the article would have got something right). The MBP 17" processor is going to get a little overpowered as time goes by--I wonder whether there is anything that can be done to augment the processor speed? Maybe adding a flash drive/SSD would be one way of countering the long-in-the-tooth processor? Right now I'm still happy with it, although it is a little slower than I would like.

sers wrote:

Well, I can agree there are better lilies to gild than this article. I have been looking for a PC that would be the equivalent of the MBP, and none seem to me sufficient, although some get close.

I agree with that, the 17" model did leave a hole in the markey when it ceases to available new, I have no opposition to it being replaced, it just hasn't been.

I wonder whether there is anything that can be done to augment the processor speed? Maybe adding a flash drive/SSD would be one way of countering the long-in-the-tooth processor? Right now I'm still happy with it, although it is a little slower than I would like.

There are 2 simple roads to more speed.

More Ram (max Ram) and an SSD, the larger the better.

My next project: SSD & max out RAM. ;-)

The SSD seems like a very good idea.

I already own a 17 macbook pro with an SSD and 8gb RAM but

I just want a new one... 😟 SOoooo BAD.

COME ON APPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You're not speaking to Apple here.

Try this place

I have followed the great suggestion often given in this tread about requesting the return of the 17 inch on Apple’s MBP feedback page. I've done that several times over the past two or more years. I assume many other people have too. It doesn't seem to be working.

Perhaps we should think of supplemental strategies for encouraging Apple to being back the 17 inch. For example, suggestions on the feedback page probably are read by mid-level developers. They might be sent up to senior executives on occastion. It might also make sense to write to Apple headquarters, perhaps to the CEO or head of product develpment.

We also could try to get influential people to push Apple to bring back the 17 inch.

Furthermore, we could get articles published that use the carrot and/or stick approach. The carrot is saying what a great computer the 17 inch was. Bringing it back would help loyal Apple professioal and other users. The stick would imply that Apple was abandoning the professioal market or made other types of mistakes by discontinuing the 17 inch.

We also could compile a list of reasons for bringing back the 17 inch. Then our individual and collective arguments could have maximum effectiveness. Many great reasons for bringing back the 17 inch have been stated on this thread. These include use by professionals. Professional writers, photographers and others often find the 17 inch more productive. The presence of the 17 inch enhanced the whole MBP line, in part because it was considered by many experts to be the best laptop in the world, it was used by many professionals, and it often was shown in movies and television shows. Many people work in different rooms in their homes or offices, or in different locations. A large screen laptop makes it easy to move to another location and still have a professional quality screen. The 15 inch screen was made shorter and wider about 4 or 5 years ago. This is fine for movies, but bad for writers and others who view documents in portrait format. The 17 inch provides the extra height lost when the 15 inch was made shorter.

Another key point is that, in Apple stores, people who haven't used the 17 inch often have difficulty differentiating it from the 15 inch. But once people start using it, the difference in productivity and other areas becomes obvious. If Apple did a better job of promoting the benefits of the 17 inch, they'd sell more of them.

Re cost and technology, bringing back the 17 inch seems like it would not be difficult because they make a nearly identical smaller computer. Finally, many professionals would pay more for the 17 inch. I'd pay at least $500 more for the 17 inch if it were available. They could raise the price to cover additional costs. However, Apple has very high profit margins compared to other technology companies. Raising the 17 inch price too high might restrict sales. They probably do not need to charge that much more than the 15 inch to cover incremental costs.

Why not a create a Facebook Plugin on the 17" Macbook Pro Facebook page to help direct users what to do; plus AUTOMATE the process of submitting feedback to apple at their official link?

Those sound like great ideas!

Another point that we could use to encourage Apple to bring back the 17 inch is to remind them that they started out as a computer company. Professionals and high end users have strongly supported and promoted Apple over the years. Now as Wall Street demands ever-increasing shareholder returns, Apple seems to have lost some of its original wisdom. The focus seems to be on selling high volume products, while discontinuing lower sellers. This might harm them because some lower selling, but high end products enhance the reputation of the whole company. This promotes higher sales of the high volume products.

The 17 inch MBP was a foundational tool of many loyal professional Apple customers. Discontinuing it might bump up short-term profits, but harm the company and its reputation over the longer-term, for example, as loyal, high-end Apple customers seek non-Apple alternatives that better meet their professional needs.