retina display for 17 inch macbook pro

NY27 wrote:

Another point that we could use to encourage Apple to bring back the 17 inch is to remind them that they started out as a computer company. Professionals and high end users have strongly supported and promoted Apple over the years. Now as Wall Street demands ever-increasing shareholder returns, Apple seems to have lost some of its original wisdom. The focus seems to be on selling high volume products, while discontinuing lower sellers. This might harm them because some lower selling, but high end products enhance the reputation of the whole company. This promotes higher sales of the high volume products.

I am having a lot of trouble buying this angle, and so will Apple. The reason is that "Apple seems to have lost its original wisdom" doesn't hold up when in recent years they have turned out original products before anyone else, and became one of the most highly valued companies in the world as a result. That is not a portrait of lost wisdom or losing its way. It's a portrait of a company having recent wisdom...that many other companies desparately wish they had too.

Also, Apple has been public its entire life and they have always had to deliver shareholder value. The only difference is that today they are able to do it better than ever. Not because of computers, but because of mobile.

But the final reason this angle doesn't wash is that Apple recently proved it does still care about pro users, by releasing the new Mac Pro. No normal computer company in its right mind would release the new Mac Pro, which is about as far from an affordable mass market high volume product as you can get. Its existence disproves the idea that Apple only cares about high volume products now.

If Apple wants to reboot the 17" Retina MBP they probably will, Mac Pro style. By that I mean by the time you get a new 17" MBP, it will probably be such a radical redesign that most owners of previous generations will hate it for not being "professional."

Network 23 wrote:

I am having a lot of trouble buying this angle, and so will Apple. The reason is that "Apple seems to have lost its original wisdom" doesn't hold up when in recent years they have turned out original products before anyone else, and became one of the most highly valued companies in the world as a result. That is not a portrait of lost wisdom or losing its way. It's a portrait of a company having recent wisdom...that many other companies desparately wish they had too.

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But the final reason this angle doesn't wash is that Apple recently proved it does still care about pro users, by releasing the new Mac Pro. No normal computer company in its right mind would release the new Mac Pro, which is about as far from an affordable mass market high volume product as you can get. Its existence disproves the idea that Apple only cares about high volume products now.

If Apple wants to reboot the 17" Retina MBP they probably will, Mac Pro style. By that I mean by the time you get a new 17" MBP, it will probably be such a radical redesign that most owners of previous generations will hate it for not being "professional."

First, it should be said that the usefullness for a Retina screen for a phone is a lot different than the usefullness on a laptop/notebook. Plus, there is a large installed and existing basic of computer programs that use the non-retina resolution and work just fine. Hence, a 17" MBP retina screen will need work with a lot of Windows computers and other computers monitors.This is very unlike an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy which has it's own dedicated hardware and own eco system. Big Difference.

Next, I have never heard anyone say about a 15" retina MPB that the retina screen has made them more productive or the photos at double resolution was a show stopper and made a huge difference in what they were doing for themselves or a client.

Plus, aren't there plenty of internal reports that Apple is getting "beat up" over the larger Samsung Galaxies?

The confidential internal slides that show why Apple is making a bigger iPhone 6 | 9to5Mac

http://9to5mac.com/2014/04/06/why-apple-has-to-make-bigger-screen-iphones-in-its -own-confidential-internal-slides

The design for the Samsung Galaxy didn't need to radical, or hit it out the ballpark, like the cylindrical MacPro, it just needed to be a larger screen, i.e. LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.

Basically, Apple missed the boat on the larger screen thinking of iPhone and don't be surprised, they, Apple, are making the same mistake for the 17" laptops.

Apple's thinking was "more portable, more portable, more portable." e.g. MacAir, etc

Samsung said, "more productive, more productive, more productive."

See the difference?

but what innovations has apple released since 2012 when they discontinued the 17 Pro?

Steve Jobs died in 2011 they discontinue the pro a year later.

They should release a 17 model every 2-3 years.

or At least introduce it as 17 mac-book AIR or something.

seriously..

17" MBP's represented less than 2% of laptop sales..

Apple listened to their customers already.

Csound1 wrote:

17" MBP's represented less than 2% of laptop sales..

Apple listened to their customers already.

At less than 2% of laptop sales, wouldn't that indicate that Apple is NOT listening to its customers? And not listening in more ways than one? That is, see NY27 comments including uncompetitive pricing of the 17".

The exact opposite.

And if you think less than 2% of laptop sales is bad, Apple has sales of ZERO PERCENT (0%) for phones with 4.7" and 5.5" screens while Samsung seems to be going pretty strong in that large screen market of around 5" or so?

And, I can go to almost any store from Best Buy, Fry's, Office Depot, and stuff online like Newegg, I see LOTS and LOTS of 17" laptops for sale. I can also walk into a coffeeshop and guess what? I can easily see 17" laptops.

Before Apple discontinued the 17" MBP, I couldn't walk into a coffeeshop and easily see a 17" MBP. And if I were to walk into a Apple store, I still could NOT easily see where the 17" MBP were inside the store even if looking directly at one. The only way a typical customer can readily see if they are looking at a 17" MBP is if it is side-by-side by a 15" MBP.

Less than 2% of laptop sales and 0% of 4.7" and 5.5" phone sales means NOT listening to customers.

Of course they have 0% of the market for items they don't sell, which world do you live on?

Csound1 wrote:

Of course they have 0% of the market for items they don't sell, which world do you live on?

And why don't they actually SELL those 4.7" and 5.5" iPhones even though "customers" have been asking, screaming, for larger iPhone for some time? Isn't it because Apple is NOT listening to those customers?

And cannot it be the same for the "Less-than-2%-sales" for the 17" MBP? It's not that customers don't want it. It's because Apple is NOT listening to customers to certain changes for the 17" MBP that will make it more "competitive" and more "productive".

I live in the world of "listening" to my customers, not sure if Apple still does that. Egos get a lot bigger at the top. See what happened at Microsoft and Windows 8 and the Start button? Or the new iPhone Maps?

pc2k5 wrote:

Csound1 wrote:

Of course they have 0% of the market for items they don't sell, which world do you live on?

And why don't they actually SELL those 4.7" and 5.5" iPhones

Why don't you ask them?

And cannot it be the same for the "Less-than-2%-sales" for the 17" MBP? It's not that customers don't want it.

When it was available for purchase a very low percentage of customers bought one. Why make a model for 2% of a subset of your customers. As a stockholder I would (and many were) aggrieved at such a slow to no selling product. Apple is a business.

Csound1 wrote:

And why don't they actually SELL those 4.7" and 5.5" iPhones

Why don't you ask them?

I don't ask them directly cause Apple almost always doens't listen to customers, that's why.

Csound1 wrote:

And cannot it be the same for the "Less-than-2%-sales" for the 17" MBP? It's not that customers don't want it.

When it was available for purchase a very low percentage of customers bought one. Why make a model for 2% of a subset of your customers. As a stockholder I would (and many were) aggrieved at such a slow to no selling product. Apple is a business.

WAIT, when it was available a very low percentage of customers bought one because the other customers said NO to the 17" MBP as these other customers thought it was "uncompetitive" and "unproductive" when compared to the other 17" notebooks on the market. These other customers did NOT say, "The 17" MBP is perfect and has great value and productivity, but we don't have a need for it."

In other words, it's not that customers don't see a need for a 17" MBP. It's because others customers see MORE VALUE in other 17" notebooks that are not made by Apple.

'NO NEED for a 17inch' is not the same as 'MORE VALUE in a Different 17inch'

See the difference?

pc2k5 wrote:

The design for the Samsung Galaxy didn't need to radical, or hit it out the ballpark, like the cylindrical MacPro, it just needed to be a larger screen, i.e. LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.

The latest Galaxy is a great example of checking off boxes on a marketing list for customers. The result is that it gets reviews like "Samsung’s Galaxy S5 has plenty of upgrades—so why does it feel so meh? Review: Samsung tries to do too much, neglects to finetune design and software for users."

Although this will irritate a lot of people, Apple did not reach its level of success today by listening to customers. Many of Apple's largest successes were criticized by customers as ridiculous ideas that would never sell. That's why other companies didn't put out those ideas. They were not what customers were asking for.

So when there are rows and rows of 17" laptops for sale, that is no indication Apple should or will go in that direction.

Network 23 wrote:

Although this will irritate a lot of people, Apple did not reach its level of success today by listening to customers. Many of Apple's largest successes were criticized by customers as ridiculous ideas that would never sell. That's why other companies didn't put out those ideas. They were not what customers were asking for.

So when there are rows and rows of 17" laptops for sale, that is no indication Apple should or will go in that direction.

If Apple didn't reach its level of success today by listening to its customers, do you think it was accident to fix the Apple Maps problem? Or an accident to fix the antenna problem in the iPhone 4 and offer the rubber bumper? Or what about the Final Cut Pro backlash?

And speaking of the retina screen, I don't anyone who says the 15" MBP with retina screen is all that useful.

iPhone yes, but a laptop? no really usefullness so far that I have seen or heard...maybe in the future when Windows and other 4K monitor catch up and come down in price, but not now.

What Apple has done is listen to more of the good ideas from customers than the bad ideas and, of course, thrown in its own ideas.

But if you say Apple didn't get to it's level of success by listening to its customers,

then should Apple get rid of its feedback page?

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Csound1 wrote:

17" MBP's represented less than 2% of laptop sales..

Apple listened to their customers already.

Breaking Bad was watched by 1% of the US population. Does that mean it should never have been made?

I'm also pretty sure that a new thinner and lighter 17" MBP would sell better than the old one, since weight was a major issue. Come on Apple!

pc2k5 wrote:

What Apple has done is listen to more of the good ideas from customers than the bad ideas and, of course, thrown in its own ideas.

I think this is the most realistic observation. We know that Apple (like any company, or anyone, like you and me) picks and chooses what feedback to implement. That is why Apple will respond to some customer issues and that is why Apple maintains a feedback form. They will take in all the feedback.

But they will implement the feedback that they believe will best advanced their overall goals and vision. And not do the rest. Again, just like you or I would do.

It would be impossible for Apple to do what every customer wants. That's design by committee. Apple must stick to the vision that makes it successful.

So Apple does maintain the Feedback form, and gathers useful information from it. Sometimes they will say "Wow, that's a great opportunity" and will act on it. Other times, Apple will read feedback and say "Uh....no." and that's it.

And because that is how anyone else would act (except for the design-by-committee companies), there is nothing unusual about that.

Sorry if this has been answered earlier in this post, but does anyone know if 17" HiDPI laptop displays are available yet, and how much they cost? I assume that IF Apple were to re-intropduce a 17" Macbook Pro, it would have to be with a retina display. If such displays are available now, has any PC manufacturere used one in their laptops? Dell's 17" notebooks all have regular resolution displays.

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