MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?

I first noticed this after my MBP [Retina] had gone to sleep, but: when returning to the login screen (since I have it set to require a password whenever the computer is idle long enough) I noticed what appeared to a very faint ghosting primarily noticeable on darker backgrounds.


After messing around with it a bit, there seems to be a fairly consistent in-display ghosting that occurs without much time at all; I was able to leave my screen on (a little above half-brightness) for about 10-15 minutes and the ghosted "burn" would be of the screen I left it on (which I deliberately reconfigured so that everything would be a new position).


Has anyone else experienced this? Is this a normal thing that I just have to get used to? It's not really noticeable at all in standard use.

MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012), Mac OS X (10.7.4)

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 10:26 PM

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Nov 9, 2012 2:52 PM in response to timmerk

timmerk wrote:


Are you sure the Samsung screen is not an IPS screen? Apple advertises that it is here:


http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-retina/

The Samsung panel is a PLS (Plane-to-Line Switching) display, which is a proprietary Samsung technology that supposedly improves upon the standard IPS (In-Plane-Switching) technology. According to Wikipeida:

Samsung claims the following benefits of Super PLS (commonly referred to as just "PLS") over IPS:

  • Further improvement in viewing angle
  • 10 percent increase in brightness
  • Up to 15 percent decrease in production costs
  • Increased image quality

This does not mean that image retention is a "standard" feature of IPS displays, though. As many have testified there are plenty of IPS displays (desktop monitors, etc.) that do not have image retention.


As for those explicitly blaming Apple, I think you are being a bit unfair. This is quite clearly an engineering problem - one that Apple did not anticipate and is going to be difficult to solve. If anything, blame LG for designing/manufacturing a faulty panel. It seems like so far Apple is making repairs when asked, and I'm not sure how they could do much more. The engineering team is probably losing sleep over this as well. It's clearly something that is going to need to be sorted out from an engineering standpoint between Apple, LG, and possibly other suppliers, and it can't be fixed overnight. I am unsurprised that the 13" models show it - they probably use a very similar design and manufacturing process as the 15" panel.


If you can't live with any IR, then return the entire thing for a refund and spend your money elsewhere. Otherwise, you are just going to have to ask for a repair and work through that process. But expecting Apple to magically offer to replace everyone's displays is a bit unrealistic.

Nov 9, 2012 5:21 PM in response to Eriksrocks

I agree with you there is no more that Apple can do at this point that replacing the faulty screens, the problem is that in the most of the cases it seems that Apple is refusing the replacements because IR is "within specs" in their own terms and is continuing to selling as if nothing happened. So it is not a matter of just asking for a repair since the repair may be refused, and from the reports here, this is happening more often than not. Apple is responsible for testing their own products before releasing, and you are buying an Apple product here, not an LG product I think.


Sadly we live in an unperfect world and is understandable that mistakes happen, and unexpected problems arise. What makes the difference in reputation and customer trust is the way you handle the problem. The problem is well known since 6 months now, and Apple had many choices as a company:


- the choice of putting a halt on production with LG screens until the problem is fixed and make an official statement for customers that already purchased the faulty screens. Of course this had implied a loss for Apple with a big batch of useless LG screen stock and delayed shipments of Samsung rMBP.


- the choice of consider IR is "within spec", then making an official statement on this and putting a note in the product specifications (because it is in the spec) so it is clear from start to the customers the problems of this new technology. Of course this is not very smart for a marketing point of view, by telling people "be aware, my product has a problem" you will reduce sales, so again a loss for Apple.


- the choice of telling nothing, take the money, hope that most of the customers will not see the problem (since it appears and worsens over time), then make a test that tell is "within spec" for most of the complaining except the worst cases and so limiting screen replacements for the most of the people. In the meantime put in the market a new 13 inches model with the same problems so you can sell more rMBP and continue growing the bubble. Well, in the short term it seems clear that Apple is limiting the monetary losses, but I do not see how this can have a good ending in the long term, neither for the company or its consumer base that will feel basically ripped.


Companies are not charity and their purpose is to make as many profit as they can, there is nothing wrong with that. But if there is one company in the world that could afford taking one of the "honest" options when faced with the choice between keeping their customers happy and taking the money and run, this is Apple. They are selling their products as high-end, luxury items with margins that outclass the competition, not telling the upgrade pricings on memory and storage that charge 2 or 3 times the market price. They have a pile of cash in their accounts, as many that they can buy entire countries. And strangely they act like a sneaky company that tries to cut the losses and take as many money as they can by misleading their customers. This may be deceiving for some, even more after having spent 3000$ on a laptop... So I do not think it is unfair that affected people is blaming Apple because the way they are handling the problem, not for the problem by itself.

Nov 9, 2012 5:32 PM in response to gfarran

I agree, but let's not delude ourselves over how many people this is actually affecting. I would consider myself to be very acute and sensitive to imperfections in displays - I am a web designer and photographer and often notice when things are anything but pixel perfect.


But it's also true that I've owned my rMBP for five months and didn't start noticing any IR until about a week ago. I'm willing to believe that most owners don't notice the problem, at least not yet. Reading about the problem and doing the checkboard test doesn't count, in my opinion. It's a bit disconcerting to see it, but if you don't notice it organically during real-world usage I wouldn't really call it a problem.


If most people don't notice it, I don't really see anything morally wrong with Apple's strategy of continuing to sell the product and handling customers on a case-by-case basis.


When I go in to the Genius Bar in a couple weeks, I will be polite but make it fully clear that I consider the IR on my display to be unacceptable (I also have at least 3 dead pixels that I recently noticed, as well - and it's an LG panel). I expect that they will replace it. If they don't, then I will talk to the manager, call AppleCare, or do whatever it takes to get my display replaced. What I do expect of Apple is that they will eventually agree to replace my display (and that of anyone else who is genuinely unhappy with the state of their product), which is a reasonable request.


However, expecting them to either limit their panel supply to Samsung or address this issue in some other way than an engineering fix in future product revisions is unreasonable.

Nov 10, 2012 2:23 AM in response to morissej

What display manufacturer do you have?

morissej wrote:


If you have only a few dead pixels, consider yourself lucky. For now... The entire bottom of my screen is out of order (I can't see the dock anymore). The left side of the screen starts to be affected. It deteriorates by the day now. I have plugged in another display to be able to use my computer.

Nov 10, 2012 2:27 AM in response to Eriksrocks

I am sorry but I buy an Apple product not its subcomonent from various brands. They are supposed to put it together and make sure it works. This is THE MOST EXPENSIVE NOTEBOOK in the market. Not exactly the cheap DIY computer. Apple is also the largest company in the world by marketcap making obsene margins on it s customers vs. the rest of the industry. The least we can expect is a decent answer from them on such a big problem.


If it was one accident I would be forgiving. But it is not. I have problems with almost all my Apple products since 2 years (except my IPAD). And the assistance is not up to the task: no slots available in the only Apple store in Paris, online assistance overwhelmed (I am right now on the waiting queue for more than 15 mn: remember Apple care is worth 350 euros!!!!). All this is simply INACCEPTABLE.

Nov 10, 2012 4:11 AM in response to morissej

u cant find them in "About this Mac", its all by rotery guess, btw i found that Arabic keyboard versions of MacBook Pro Retina does not have IR or lg panel all samsung! 🙂 but if you want to guarantee (I think so? and don't quote me) a samsung display the u need to go buy from: http://store.apple.com/ae/go/macbookpro/ (notice the ae in the link means UAE)

Nov 10, 2012 9:16 AM in response to Kevin41269

I also talked to a Genius (Rheincenter Cologne) yesterday and they knew about the problem.


I was shocked when she started this new IR Test with the black background, but my unit seemed to be really bad and even showed IR on this background.

Now I'm waiting for a new screen, hoping that it will be a Samsung panel. 😟 She said that she cannot guarantee it will be a Samsung model and that, to a certain degree, IR is normal.

I really hope that Apple will update their policy concerning IR.

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