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Retina Display MBPs have 20% lower brightness than non-retinas?

I've been waiting until going off to graduate school to make a new computer purchase, and when I saw the MBP with Retina I thought that this was the computer for me. I do a ton of photography work, and Aperture is my lifeline, so the retina display really seemed like one of the best things that could happen to a Mac.


I went into the Apple Store yesterday and left extremely disappointed, however. The new MBPs were stupid fast and truly a work of engineering art, but there was one thing that I just could not shake...


The screen seemed dim at max brightness.


Because the laptops were locked down, I asked a customer who had last year's model of the MBP to place it side-by-side with the Retina one at max brightness. While the retina display was clearly sharper and far more vivid, it was significantly dimmer than last year's model.

Sure enough, a google search showed that the retina display uses 4x the battery life of a non-retina display because it has to push 4x the pixels. To conserve battery, Apple lowered the maximum level of brightness that the display can reach by 20%.


This is a huge bummer (though understandable). I often work with my screens at maximum brightness. In the Apple Store, with the powerful fluorescent lighting, light color interior design, and the huge windows letting in a lot of light, it really emphasized how dim the retina monitor appeared. While some people argue that the retina display's superior black levels make up for this loss in screen backlighting, I would have to respectfully disagree.


I was wondering if there is any way that this limitation on screen brightness is an artificial software limitation imposed by Apple? If yes, and there is a workaround to force the brightness to 20% higher to match last year's MBP model, I will instantly buy the MBP with Retina (whenever one gets in stock!). It is truly an incredible machine, but for my purposes it is severely hindered without a screen that "pops".


I am not too familiar with how the technology in a monitor works to create brightness, so perhaps this is a hardware limitation. In that case, I think I will consider an MBA... But I'd really rather the superior hardware, especially the dedicated graphics card for when I'm pushing the computer on a multi-monitor setup.

Posted on Jun 17, 2012 8:56 AM

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Jul 31, 2012 8:03 AM in response to Danny Swish

Well for me, compared to my 2008 MBP, side by side at home, just unpacked, I noticed the difference in brightness straight away. The retina is '2 clicks' dimmer than my 2008 MBP, but more than that,the old 2008 MBP screen seems sharp and more contrasty and the whites are a 'blue' white compared to the retina mellow screen balance and 'pink' white. The retina screen is quite similar to my old 2005 MBP screen colours and brightness.


I have to say, I wish I had the option to go 2 clicks brighter on the retina, but if there is a way to calibrate it so its more contrasty, that will do. I dont use it for photos, I use it for Logic Pro, so I want to see sharp waveforms and clear small numbers.


Does anyone know how to fiddle with the display screen exposure, contrast, highlights, saturation etc?

Sep 19, 2012 4:22 PM in response to Danny Swish

The other thing that can be at work here is that the retina MacBook Pros are manufactured with both Samsung and LG displays. The Samsung display are reported to be brighter then the LG displays.


You can check which display you have by entering the following line in the terminal app:


ioreg -lw0 | grep \"EDID\" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6


If the result is prefixed with an "LP" then it is an LG display.


Edit: I had one with an LG display which I returned for the image retention issue. When watching a movie I kept inadvertently trying to increase the brightness because it just seemed like the display was too dark even though it was at full brightness.

Sep 20, 2012 1:31 PM in response to Feoen

I had to replace my frist Rmbp on last week, because of the earlier had yellow and grey tints mainly center of display. It was produced by Samsung. The newest one is LG without iR. The display is wonderful, absolutely homogeneous. To be honest the LG has lower brightening than Samsung, but LG is much better in sunshine for example!!!

It is my third Macbook Pro since my switch. I had two LG-s and one Samsung displays (it was 2011 early). In my opinion the LG displays have nicer view than Samsung despite of relative much negative judgments.

Nov 5, 2012 11:55 PM in response to Feoen

Sorry for bringing this back from being somewhat dead. But I feel my post may help someone reading this thread down the road.


The ONLY way someone could "need" a display that is brighter than the rMBP is if they are constantly working in direct sunlight. And even then, I would think the end user would need something Anti-Glare over a "brighter" screen.


I will do my own readings, but for ease of use I will use the numbers off of Anandtech's review http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-r eview/5


According to Anandtech the "White Level"(which is what Apple calls brightness, in the Display Calibration World brightness is actually black level), is 339 cd/m2. There is an error though, Anandtech states on their White level reading that "higher is better". That is absolutely incorrect. Light output is subjective (which is what they are reading). On the flip side, black level is not. You always want that as low as possible without crushing blacks.


Here are some comparisons. When TV's are calibrated, they are generally done between 30-60 ftL (appx. 100-200 cd/m2). Depending on tech (Plasma's generally lower than LCD/LED) and lighting conditions. I have never calibrated a display higher than 60 ftL. And when I did it was freaking bright.


I am going to take a **** in the dark (more like a educated guess). But the ones "complaining" about the light output, probably have all their other displays maxed out (even in a dim room), and have their TV's set to a "Dynamic/Vivid/or other similar ugly picture setting.


Again this isn't meant to bash anyone.

Nov 28, 2013 5:21 PM in response to Feoen

I agree the brightness seems low to me even when maxed out. The screen looks gorgeous and I may use this current maxed setting even if it could go brighter. But this sure does not look like max brightness to me.


It's possible that the screen just looks so sharp that it seems like it should be able to go even brighter. But now that I'm comparing it with my desktop monitors I use for my PC it is WAYYYY brighter than both of them. Way sharper too and they are both pretty nice 1920x1080's one 23" one 20".


So I guess for me the max brightness seems like it could be higher but apparently I use a much darker screens on my desktop. I really think it's just the screen is so good you can use more brightness without it looking weird.


This is based on looking at Late 2013 15" MBP.

Dec 28, 2014 8:58 AM in response to Feoen

Hey guys, I also noticed that the screen is about 20% dimmer than my MBA 2011 model. This was a huge disappointment for me because I have always used max brighten on my display even for my MBA. I was messing around with the advanced display settings and I found a quick fix to make the screen 1 or 2 clicks brighter on the rMBP.



Go to: System Preferences> Display> Color> Click Calibrate> Check Expert Mode



Once you check 'Expert Mode' and begin to calibrate the display you will be presented with a lot more options than if you just chose to calibrate with the standard calibration settings.



You have the option to adjust 5 gamma color settings. I would suggest keeping the 5 gamma colors set to Apple's default. The next setting is contrast, this is the setting that will make your whole screen appear brighter. Just adjust contrast to what you feel works best for you. Than make sure you name the custom display. You can than click between the default display and the custom display to see the difference in brightness. Its not a perfect fix but it defiantly made me a lot happier with the display. I just hope when Apple releases the next-gen rMBP that they take into account that 50% of people want a brighter screen!



Hope this helps!



-Seth

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