Java and Ipad

http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipad.html

He is not here, use the above link. But it isn't going to happen, Mr. Jobs made it clear in 2007 when the iPhone was released that Java was passé technology, was a security risk, and would not be on the iPhone. This has been carried on with all other iDevices.

Time for major educational sites to upgrade their technology.

So the entire world needs to change their business model in order to support the IPAD? Give me a break. The IOS has been out for years now and no one is changing their models to suit. There are devices out there this works on, so find one and use that to access their content, that's what these companies are thinking.

I've been test driving an Ipad over the weekend and if anything, it has only confirmed that I will never buy one. Java and Flash, two of the most widely used languages on the internet, and Apple isn't going to support them.

I can't do two of the things I use the computer for most because of this limitation, so Apple is off the list.

Java is very rarely used on the internet and is essentially dead for client-side applications.

Flash is on the way out. It's dead now for mobile devices and will die a slow death elsewhere.

By the way, you are replying to a thread which has been dormant for three months. Any reason to be seeking this out?

This Is what comes up when I google the topic. Since the thread is not that old I replied to it (3 months isn't that old). I didn't feel like searching the apple forums for another post, nor did I want to start a new one.

I think my reason why is indicated fairly clearly in my original reply.

And my apologies, I should not have used Internet, what I meant was for everything I do I require flash or java. I'm trying to find a compelling reason to use iPad as a business tool and so far haven't found any. It's nothing but a toy.

You can tell me all day the flash and java are archaic, but when I do my typical internet time wasting on an iPad, I can't do absolutely everything. And this is the reasOn I still dont have an iPad.

Just saying there are products out there that do support these languages. If I'm spending $700, it better do what I need. I'm not changing for the device just so I can have an iPad like everyone else.

Grundleheimer wrote:

This Is what comes up when I google the topic. Since the thread is not that old I replied to it (3 months isn't that old). I didn't feel like searching the apple forums for another post, nor did I want to start a new one.

I think my reason why is indicated fairly clearly in my original reply.

And my apologies, I should not have used Internet, what I meant was for everything I do I require flash or java. I'm trying to find a compelling reason to use iPad as a business tool and so far haven't found any. It's nothing but a toy.

You can tell me all day the flash and java are archaic, but when I do my typical internet time wasting on an iPad, I can't do absolutely everything. And this is the reasOn I still dont have an iPad.

Just saying there are products out there that do support these languages. If I'm spending $700, it better do what I need. I'm not changing for the device just so I can have an iPad like everyone else.

It is obvious that the iPad will not meet your needs. When you go to purchase another device such as an Android tablet, keep in mind that Java is not supported on those either.

I'm not sure you've noticed but Java has become a security nightmare. If I were running a business the first thing I would do is make sure we were running nothing that required client side Java.

Adobe closed their Mobile Flash division and laid off all the employees.

If you are going to purchase a tablet that meets your need of having both Java and Flash you need to do so very quickly, the next generation Android tablets will not come with Flash and it is no longer available in the Marketplace, plus their will be no new version for Jelly Bean or any future iterations of Android.

I don't really know if the Microsoft Surface (which will be released this month) will have Java and Flash or not. But if they do that is another option.

No manufacturer can possibly make a device that is 100% ideal for all consumers. As Bob said it appears the iPad is not the right tool for your job and it is good that you are doing your research in advance. This is not a failure of Apple or the iPad, it just means it is not the right tool for your needs.

I agree, I'm not in any way saying that Java and Flash are ideal, nor would I ever defend them. And unfortunately I have no control over what my vendors use for their utilities which are embedded into pci cards (I'm talking about HP ILO and Dell DRAC for server monitoring).

Adobe seems to have more issues than just their Flash division, so we'll leave it at that.

And the MS surface will support, at least for the x86 version since it's full Win 8, both of these. MS will be one of the last to abolish these languages.

That being said, I'm not sure the surface is 100% either. But you can bet that MS has listened to the gripes of Android and IOS users and are probably going to position themselves somewhere in the middle of that war.

Only time will tell, I have Win 8 installed on an old x86 tablet right now and should find out if it's any good.

One thing you guys have helped me realize at least is that the iPad is pretty good at what it does.

One of the versions of the Surface is full Windows 8 (the other is RT) but it is not running x86 architecture and since Flash on Windows writes directly to the hardware to overcome their abysmal speed without it then it may not work on the Surface. We'll know later in the month.

Given your needs I would not think a tablet would be in your best interest. Have you researched a MacBook Air?

Need something I can hold in one arm, like a pad. If the screen on the air spun around so when you close it the screen is exposed it could be considered. But at that point I might as well use this old x86 Dell tablet it I have and not spend 1100+ dollars.

If it isn't broken why are your trying to fix it?

It isn't broken, yet, but with win 7 this tablet is useless. I don want to buy an OS license for win 8 when the possibility to buy one with a tablet is there on the surface. Piracy is not an option at my business.

Basically I want an iPad for home and was hoping it could fill my business requirement as well. Sadly it cannot so I'm stuck In this loop. It is much easier to justify an expenditure like this if I can use it for more than toying around and internetting.

Well, I use mine for a lot of things other than "toying around" and internetting. In fact the only time I use Flash on my computer is when I am "toying around".

Check out the Surface when it arrives. It may be just the tool that you need.

There are ways that you can convert Java code to iPad apps. If you have your own Java based website, this may be the way to go. Of course, you would have to pay to get on the App Store.

All of you keep talking around in circles....the new OSX Lion shipped with Java...infact the latest version of Java has issues when accessing sites such as Yahoo online games and folks are rolling back to the previous version of Java

So Java is still alive and many sites and companies use it....as far as Apple goes...their browser should still support these languages if there are websites and companies who use them. One poster was talking about security at his company..blah blah blah...we are not at your company...we are talking about us the consumer trying to get to websites and webpages that are using flash and java...2 languages that are not new nor are they obscure.

Flash - samething, infact i had to recently download and install the latest version of flash for all my client PC's and Macs at my job....and since we are moving from PC to Apple and I say apple because we have both MACS and IPADS being used most of the folks don't use the ipads or complain because they can't view the flash/Java content they are browsing to.

We are not asking apple to write java or flash....just allow it to intergate with their browser...if its out there on the web and is a mainstream web content language then let us get to it....

I am not defending Java or Flash....they are out there...let me view the pages if I want tooooooo.

JAVA just released version 7 that supports iOS Mountain Lion, doesn't sound like it's going away to me.

I too, would just like the iPad to accept JAVA.

Many IP cameras require JAVA to view them.