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Sad iPod solution

i've revived my iPod!! WOOOHOOO!

so after trying absolutely everything (5R's, formatting, dropping from waistheight, trying to get into disk mode, praying to the ipod god's, etc) i followed some other ppls suggestion to open up the pod and disconnect and reconnect the wires that plug into the hard drive. and it worked, my ipod has risen from the dead, hallelujah!

so thanx to the ppl who suggested this solution (i can't remember exactly who u r sorry) and i recommend this solution to anyone else with the 'sad ipod' problem with their 4th gen ipod.

cheers;cam

4th Generation 20gig, Windows XP

Posted on Mar 21, 2006 4:48 AM

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May 17, 2006 5:35 PM in response to Michelle Marshall

Michelle and DJ59,
I also had a bit of trouble getting my case open. I took a look at the guides on this website: http://www.kokopellimusic.us/KM_instructions.htm. I didn't have any of the mentioned tools, so I went at it with a knife. They say don't use metal as it could damage the iPod, but my iPod was beyond repair anyway so I thought why not?

I basically jammed the knife into the metal case and wedged it down so there was a slight opening. Then I ran a guitar plectrum all the way around the case so it popped off. I had to use a fair bit of force, and my case is a bit scratched from where I drove a knife into it, but at least it works now!

Then I removed the connector pins on the battery and plugged them back in again.

Ask again if you're still not sure.

James. x

May 17, 2006 5:41 PM in response to Michelle Marshall

I'm glad that method worked for you!

I personally would be worried about dropping any piece of electrical equipment onto the floor from waste height (apart from my flat mate's evil Toshiba Laptop). I think you could break the moving parts. So I can't recommend that solution.

But I can recommend unplugging and re-plugging the hard drive from the circuit board to anyone reading this with the sad iPod/folder problem. It worked wonders for my beyond hope iPod.

x

May 17, 2006 6:52 PM in response to TeaPotMan

I have tried repeatedly the Five ways of fixing the sad iPod (except prying it open with a knife), to no avail. I finally got it to show the Diagnostics, and when I got to HDD Test, it said HDD FAIL TEST END.

Does that mean the hard drive is terminally buggered? I also managed to get it connected to the Powerbook, visible in Disk Utility but not on the desktop, and tried to reinitialize it. That didn't change anything.

Should I resort to dropping it?

Powerbook G4, G4 tower Mac OS X (10.2.x) also run OSX.4 and PC emulator on partitions; Airport w/PC; iPod

May 17, 2006 7:00 PM in response to Laura Cameron

Hello Laura,
Please read the following carefully before you act
If a sad iPod icon or an exclamation point and folder icon appears on your iPod’s screen, or with sounds of clicking or HD whirring, it is usually the sign of a hard drive problem and you have the power to do something about it now. Your silver bullet of resolving your iPod issue – is to restore your iPod to factory settings.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60983

If you're having trouble, try these steps at different levels one at a time until the issue is resolved. These steps will often whip your iPod back into shape.

Make sure you do all the following “TRYs”

A. Try to wait 30 minutes while iPod is charging.
B. Try another FireWire or USB through Dock Connector cable.
C. Try another FireWire or USB port on your computer .
D. Try to disconnect all devices from your computer's FireWire and USB ports.
E. Try to download and install the latest version of iPod software and iTunes
http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/
http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/
F. Try these five steps (known as the five Rs) and it would conquer most iPod issues.
http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/five_rs/
G. Try to put the iPod into Disk Mode if it fails to appear on the desktop
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651

If none of these steps address the issue, you may need to go to Intermediate level listed below in logical order. Check from the top of the lists to see if that is what keeping iPod from appearing on your computer in order for doing the Restore.

Intermediate Level

A. Try to connect your iPod with another computer with the iPod updater pre-installed.

B. Still can’t see your iPod, put it in Disk Mode and connect with a computer, instead of doing a Restore on iPod Updater. Go and format the iPod instead.

For Mac computer
1. Open the disk utility, hope your iPod appears there (left hand side), highlight it
2. Go to Tab “Partition”, click either “Delete” or “Partition”, if fails, skip this step and go to 3
3. Go to Tab “Erase” , choose Volume Format as “MAC OS Extended (Journaled), and click Erase, again if fails, skip it and go to 4
4. Same as step 3, but open the “Security Options....” and choose “Zero Out Data” before click Erase. It will take 1 to 2 hours to complete.
5. Eject your iPod and do a Reset
6. Open the iPod Updater and click “Restore”

For Window computer
Go to folder “My Computer”
Hope you can see your iPod there and right click on the iPod
Choose “Format”. Ensure the settings are at “Default” and that “Quick Format” is not checked
Now select “Format”
Eject your iPod and do a Reset
Open the iPod Updater and click “Restore”
In case you do not manage to do a “Format” on a window computer, try to use some 3rd party disk utility software, e.g.“Partition Magic”.

C. Windows users having trouble with their iPods should locate a Mac user. In many cases when an iPod won't show up on a PC that it will show up on the Mac. Then it can be restored. When the PC user returns to his computer the iPod will be recognized by the PC, reformatted for the PC, and usable again. By the way, it works in reverse too. A Mac user often can get his iPod back by connecting it to a PC and restoring it.
Tips
a. It does not matter whether the format is completed or not, the key is to erase (or partly) the corrupted firmware files on the Hard Drive of the iPod. After that, when the iPod re-connected with a computer, it will be recognized as an fresh external hard drive, it will show up on the iPod updater.
b. It is not a difficult issue for a Mac user to find a window base computer, for a PC user, if they can’t find any Mac user, they can go to a nearest Apple Shop for a favor.
c. You may need to switch around the PC and Mac, try to do several attempts between “Format” and “Restore”

Advance Level

A. Diagnostic mode solution
If you have tried trouble shooting your iPod to no avail after all the steps above, chances are your iPod has a hardware problem. The iPod's built-in Diagnostic Mode is a quick and easy way to determine if you have a "bad" iPod.
You need to restart your iPod before putting it into Diagnostic Mode. Check that your hold switch is off by sliding the switch away from the headphone jack. Toggle it on and off to be safe.
Press and hold the following combination of buttons simultaneously for approximately 10 seconds to reset the iPod.
iPod 1G to 3G: "Menu" and "Play/Pause"
iPod 4G+ (includes Photo, Nano, Video, and Mini): "Menu" and "Select"
The Apple logo will appear and you should feel the hard drive spinning up. Press and hold the following sequence of buttons:
iPod 1G to 3G: "REW", "FFW" and "Select"
iPod 4G+ (includes Photo, Nano, Video, and Mini): "Back" and "Select"
You will hear an audible chirp sound (3G models and higher) and the Apple logo should appear backwards. You are now in Diagnostic Mode. Navigate the list of tests using "REW" and "FFW". The scroll wheel will not function while in diagnostic mode. For further details on Diagnostic mode can be found at http://www.methodshop.com/mp3/ipodsupport/diagnosticmode/
Try to do the 5in1, HDD R/W and HDD scan tests. Some successful cases have been reported after the running the few tests under the Diagnostic mode. In case it does not work in your case, and the scan tests reports show some errors then it proves your iPod has a hardware problem and it needs a repairing service.

B. Format your iPod with a start disk
I have not tried this solution myself, I heard that there were few successful cases that the users managed to get their iPod (you must put your iPod in disk mode before connecting with a computer) mounted by the computer, which was booted by a system startup disk. For Mac, you can use the Disk Utility (on the Tiger OS system disk), for PC user, you can use the window OS system disk. Try to find a way to reformat your iPod, again it does not matter which format (FAT32, NTFS or HFS+) you choose, the key is to erase the corrupted system files on the iPod. Then eject your iPod and do a Reset to switch out from Disk Mode. Reboot your computer at the normal way, connect your iPod back with it, open the iPod updater, and hopefully your iPod will appear there for the Restore.

If none of these steps address the issue, your iPod may need to be repaired.
Consider setting up a mail-in repair for your iPod http://depot.info.apple.com/ipod/
Or visit your local Apple Retail Store http://www.apple.com/retail/
In case your iPod is no longer covered by the warranty and you want to find a second repairing company, you can try iPodResQ at your own risk
http://www.ipodresq.com/index.php

Just in case that you are at the following situation
Your iPod warranty is expired
You don’t want to pay any service charges
You are prepared to buy a new one
You can’t accept the re-sell value of your broken iPod
Rather than leave your iPod as paper-weight or throw it away.
You can try the following, but again, only do it as your last resort and at your own risk.

Warning ! User uploaded file – It may or may not manage to solve your problem, and with a risk that you may further damage your iPod, which end up as an expensive paper weight or you need to pay more higher repairing cost. Therefore, please re-consider again whether you want to try the next level

Last Resort Level

1. . Disconnecting the Hard Drive and battery inside the iPod – Warning !! Your iPod warranty will be waived once you open the iPod.
In Hong Kong there are some electronic shops offering an iPod service for Sad iPod, the first thing they do is to open up the iPod’s case and disconnecting the battery and the Hard Drive from the main board of the iPod. Wait for 5-10 minutes and reconnecting them back. The reason behind which I can think of is to do a fully reset of a processor of the iPod. In case you want do it itself and you believe that you are good on fixing the electronics devices and have experience to deal with small bits of electronic parts, then you can read the following of how to open the iPod case for battery replacement (with pictures)
http://www.kokopellimusic.us/KM_instructions.htm
Have I tried this myself? No, I am afraid to do it myself as I am squeamish about tinkering inside electronic devices, I have few experiences that either I broke the parts (which are normally tiny or fragile) or failed to put the parts back to the main case. Therefore, I agree with suggestion to have it fixed by a Pro.

2. Do a search on Google and some topics on this discussion forum about “Sad iPod”

What should I do with my iPod? Send it or keep it?
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=469080&tstart=0

Strange error on iPod (probably death)
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=435160&start=0&tstart=0

Sad Face on iPod for no apparent reason
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=336342&start=0&tstart=0

Meeting the Sad iPod icon
http://askpang.typepad.com/relevanthistory/2004/11/meeting_thesad.html#comment-10519524

Sad faced iPod, but my computer won’t recognize it?
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2236095#2236095

iPod Photo: unhappy icon + warranty question
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2233746#2233746

4th Gen iPod Users - are we all having the same problem?
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=2235623#2235623

Low Battery, and clicking sounds
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2237714#2237714

Sad faced iPod, but my computer won’t recognize it
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2242018#2242018

Sad iPod solution
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=412033&tstart=0

I am not suggesting that you should follow as well, but just read them as your reference. You are the person to make the call.

May 20, 2006 8:19 PM in response to boomboomboom

boom...,
you have to take out all of the connectors and when you open the ipod you first un clip the small conector to take the top part off then to take the other part of you have to pull a lot of pin like things out of these slot sort of things. The pin things are connected to a black tab thing.

Thanks... this worked for me too... turns out that it had a bunch of sand in it from the beach.

Windows XP

Jul 25, 2006 7:35 PM in response to Simon Crease

I had the same frozen ipod which wouldn't respond to
the 5 Rs.
Before I cracked the case open, I tried dropping it
from waist height onto carpet, and omg! the thing
came back to life. Astonishing.
No more sad face 🙂



Did the ipod give you a sad face after you dropped it on the carpet? I did the same thing and it worked for mine, and I was wondering if the problem comes up again. Thanks a bunch!! Please email me at sachingolhar@gmail.com.

Sep 17, 2006 4:09 AM in response to TeaPotMan

Hi!
My 4G 40gb doesen't still work, i can't restore it with iPod updater but it doesn't work...(in order to succeed to make work the updater i have to terminate before lunch it the iPodService.exe process)or the updater say that there is antoher program working with my iPod.
I try to format it true ms-dos ad to restore it after but the updater doesn't work.
My question is if with a Ide adapter used to connect the 1.8" hard drive directly to my pc i have some possibility to restore my iPod.
thanks very much and sorry for my bad english.

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