Sad iPod solution
so after trying absolutely everything (5R's, formatting, dropping from waistheight, trying to get into disk mode, praying to the ipod god's, etc) i followed some other ppls suggestion to open up the pod and disconnect and reconnect the wires that plug into the hard drive. and it worked, my ipod has risen from the dead, hallelujah!
so thanx to the ppl who suggested this solution (i can't remember exactly who u r sorry) and i recommend this solution to anyone else with the 'sad ipod' problem with their 4th gen ipod.
cheers;cam
4th Generation 20gig, Windows XP