Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

Sasparilla256 wrote:

Gunnar, if you are using Lion and the safari RSS is that important to you - consider adding Safari 5.1.7 back to your system (if you have access to it in Time Machine or a Mac that wasn't updated, just copy the v5.1.7 package out of Applications - should be about 40MB) on your v6 Lion system make a new directory in the Applications folder (like Old Safari) and drop the v5.1.7 package in there - it runs just fine (at the moment) with RSS working again (don't run both at the same time since they share user files and corruption could occur).

I tried this to get the font settings back and it was gone, just like in Safari 6. I didn't try the RSS feature because I actually like using a separate RSS reader now better. But Safari 5.1.7 wasn't working like it should have been. I assume that was because of WebKit or other framework changes.

If you are using an RSS reader, RSS links on websites still work when you click on them in Safari. It sends them to the RSS reader. I tried NewNewsWire and Vienna, and it worked that way with both of them.

I wouldn't even go back to using RSS in Safari if they brought it back in the next OS update.

Yes, I must say I'm personally very disappointed that Apple has not communicated on this issue. As a former Apple employee, I feel as though my colleagues are dropping the ball. Has anyone on this forum received any sort of communication directly from Apple on this issue?

I was at an Apple store 2 days ago waiting for my friend who was waiting for a Genius so he could pick up his Mac mini. Just standing there, a customer asked a Genius about his RSS missing, and the Genius obviously not knowing what RSS is, didn’t have a clue, he went to asked someone, and returned after 2 minutes, "Yea, it was dropped. Dunno why."

Do you remember when the Genius bar had free bottled water?

Do you remember when the Genius was smarter than the bottled water?

Do you remember when the Genius wasn’t doing 4 other things at the same time, and you actually had his full attention?

Do you remember when you were able to ask how to make a movie without paying $99 first?

Do you remember when every Apple store employee knew how to format a drive?

Do you remember when every new version of OS X was an awe inspiring advancement in computer user interfaces?

Do you remember when only Microsoft produced frustrating software?

Do you remember when Apple had at least 1 employee with an imagination? We miss you, Steve!

Since you're asking, no, I don't remember anything about the Genius Bar because I have never been to the Genius Bar. Never had a need for it. They should have a coffee bar in the Apple Store though.

I do remember being at work (graphic arts) and hearing the sys op calling Apple support back in like 1994 or so. He held up a sign over the partition to me that said "your mother knows more about Macs than this support person". So what has changed?

Changes to the GUI have been minor from version to version, which is how it should be. Look at what people are saying about Windows 8. I have to look hard to see what has changed in Mountain Lion as far as the GUI. For the most part nothing has changed in using my Mac.

Everyone is making a big stink over this RSS thing, and it's really a non issue. It was inconvenient for about 20 minutes, and now I no longer think about it. Safari was a lousy RSS reader, though I didn't know that at the time.

If you look back, Apple has killed off a lot of cool features/software over the years. Remember OpenDoc? The Appearance Manager? FindFile/Sherlock? (Still better than Spotlight, that never finds what I'm looking for), Apple Data Detectors? Even HyperCard.

But they have added a lot of new features that I couldn't live without now, like QuickLook, being able to collect items into a folder, multi touch gestures, etc.

Still I'd rather be running Mountain Lion than Mac OS 9. Or even Snow Leopard.

David Schwab wrote:

If you are using an RSS reader, RSS links on websites still work when you click on them in Safari. It sends them to the RSS reader. I tried NewNewsWire and Vienna, and it worked that way with both of them.

I wouldn't even go back to using RSS in Safari if they brought it back in the next OS update.

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Everyone is making a big stink over this RSS thing, and it's really a non issue. It was inconvenient for about 20 minutes, and now I no longer think about it. Safari was a lousy RSS reader, though I didn't know that at the time.

If you look back, Apple has killed off a lot of cool features/software over the years. Remember OpenDoc? The Appearance Manager? FindFile/Sherlock? (Still better than Spotlight, that never finds what I'm looking for), Apple Data Detectors? Even HyperCard.

So let me get this straight... You prefer to browse the web in Vienna? Because that's what this all equates to.

Example: I click an RSS link, it takes me out of Safari and into Vienna... Then I click a link in that story and now I'm browsing the web in an RSS reader -- not my web browser, where the web should be. To get back into my regular work flow, I now have to copy and paste the articles URL back into Safari.

To say nothing of the awful layout and reduced preview text (which are pretty much deal breakers on their own).

My god, you're right! Those 4 extra steps make everything so much better! Why didn't someone force me to do this years ago?!?

No, I'm convinced that most everyone that is defending Apple on this move doesn't actually use RSS at all -- and as such, believe that it's a "dead technology," that everyone should just "trust them", and are now simply arguing for arguing's sake.

And yes, thank you, we're all aware of the multitude of products that Apple has had to kill off over the years in order to stay alive (BTW, you missed the Claris Works suite and a slew of other great products that couldn't sustain their own markets)... They had very little market share, very little capital and a limited number of developers to make sure that their most popular products were as good as they could possibly be.

That is no longer the case (100+ billion dollars, anyone?), RSS is not a niche technology (like all the others you listed - exept the "Find" command... I'm with you there) and Apple themselves still has over a thousand RSS links on their own website (how many mainstream Hypercard Apps were available for download/purchase when it was finally scraped?).

Again, no one wants to hear that you've moved on and that we all should too because we're all just a bunch of whiners who can't accept change -- none of your arguments hold water and it's becoming obvious to me that you don't even understand the feature being discussed.

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

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Example: I click an RSS link, it takes me out of Safari and into Vienna... Then I click a link in that story and now I'm browsing the web in an RSS reader -- not my web browser, where the web should be. To get back into my regular work flow, I now have to copy and paste the articles URL back into Safari.

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No, I'm convinced that most everyone that is defending Apple on this move doesn't actually use RSS at all -- and as such, believe that it's a "dead technology," that everyone should just "trust them", and are now simply arguing for arguing's sake.

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I can't say for other RSS readers out there but I know with Reeder if gives you the option to open links in Safari. So when you are reading your RSS lists and find something you want to click on and click it it'll open up in Safari or your default browser. You only use the in-app browser for the initial RSS information. It doesn't take away from reading in your browser.

As for those "defending Apple" htat "don't use RSS at all". I had about 75 RSS lists that I subscribed to and read on a daily basis. I started, long before Safari 6 was released, noticing that I was getting less and less updates in my lists. Turns out of those 75 sites only 25 of them has kept RSS. The other 50 dropped RSS from their site in favor of Twitter, Facebook, or Google+.

So to me, RSS is "dead technology" if the sites I visit or like to read from on a daily basis has long dropped it. Which majority of them have.

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

So let me get this straight... You prefer to browse the web in Vienna? Because that's what this all equates to.

Example: I click an RSS link, it takes me out of Safari and into Vienna... Then I click a link in that story and now I'm browsing the web in an RSS reader -- not my web browser, where the web should be. To get back into my regular work flow, I now have to copy and paste the articles URL back into Safari.

Nope. When you use new software, take a moment and look at the manual, or at least look at the preferences.

I have it set where the article opens in Safari. I don't want to read all these articles anyway, and some links are just to see when I need to download a new podcast for sites that don't have RSS feeds that iTunes can use, such as paid subscriptions. But when I want to read the article I click the blue title bar and it opens in Safari.

So it's th4e same, but the listing is much better.

I have the list of the 16 feeds all visible at the same time. I used to have my RSS links in the bookmarks bar, so I could see updates. But they all didn't fit. Nw I see them all. I can thumb though articles without disturbing what I'm doing in Safari. I have Vienna open at log in, so even if Safari isn't open I can see my feeds.

I like it. I would never have known about doing it this way if Apple hadn't removed it in Safari.

Scyanide wrote:

So to me, RSS is "dead technology" if the sites I visit or like to read from on a daily basis has long dropped it. Which majority of them have.

A valid point... Apparently my news sources are less "social" than yours.

David Schwab wrote:

I like it. I would never have known about doing it this way if Apple hadn't removed it in Safari.

Definitely your prerogative... It still befuddles me that anyone would prefer jumping between two apps to complete one task, but I have to respect your right to do so. All I ask is that you respect the opinion of me and hundreds of others here (that believe RSS is alive and well and that Safari was a superior RSS reader) by not dismissing our reasonable complaints as "a big stink over a non issue". We respectfully (and sometimes not so respectfully) disagree.

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

Scyanide wrote:

So to me, RSS is "dead technology" if the sites I visit or like to read from on a daily basis has long dropped it. Which majority of them have.

A valid point... Apparently my news sources are less "social" than yours.

Hear hear. My main use cases for less social sites are unpopular blogs and webcomics.

In fact mostly webcomics and web-published fiction or blogs. it's essential that you get everything in sequence in a story, fictional or otherwise - a list that shows what you definitely have read and what you haven't is a must so you don't miss anything (or go over something twice).

OTOH using the same system for news articles and such works rather well as I can skim the first paragraph of the most recent items and only open the things that interest me.

I was doing so well migrating all my services to Apple. RSS just worked.

I've tried many reader apps recently. None has worked anywhere near as well fo me as Safari 5's integrated RSS did. I have abandoned Safari for the nonce, and now use another reader on another browser, it works, but, as I said, not as well, and the entire situation has caused me great inconvenience. You are unhelpful and annoying, and exhibit the same irrationality, and petulance you disparage in others. Bugger off.

dsecrist wrote:

Bugger off.

I just want to ask that you do one thing for me. Don't use those cockamamied English colloquialisms you inbreeders are so fond of on your genetically isolated island of bad teeth. I'm a genetically healthy American who doesn't incorporate retard speech as if it were an actual part of language. Thank you!

And my friends here in America wonder why I want to relocate to the UK. I would rather be a dirt poor British citizen than a wealthy American. (Australia would be great, too.) America: slowest and most expensive internet, slowest and most expensove mobile phones, worst and most expensive school system, worst and most expensive medical care, but we are very proud of our #1 place in gun deaths and tv violence. Is that what they mean when they say America is #1?

Oh, and return RSS to Safari. My blind friend takes 10 imes longer to read the morning news without it. We tried a third-party app, but that actually made it worse. Was it that difficult to add a "RSS On-Off" button in the Sarafi Preferences?

But, most importantly, the #1 reason to move to the UK is that US beer is like canoecoitus; f-'in close to water.

Glen M wrote:

And my friends here in America wonder why I want to relocate to the UK. I would rather be a dirt poor British citizen than a wealthy American. (Australia would be great, too.) America: slowest and most expensive internet, slowest and most expensove mobile phones, worst and most expensive school system, worst and most expensive medical care, but we are very proud of our #1 place in gun deaths and tv violence. Is that what they mean when they say America is #1?

Oh, and return RSS to Safari. My blind friend takes 10 imes longer to read the morning news without it. We tried a third-party app, but that actually made it worse. Was it that difficult to add a "RSS On-Off" button in the Sarafi Preferences?

But, most importantly, the #1 reason to move to the UK is that US beer is like canoecoitus; f-'in close to water.

I will agree with some of what you say (I've actually been to Europe), but we have public schools here. If you are smart, you raise your kids in an area with exceptional school systems, like we did.

We have free TV too, not that I watch it. Oh and the food is better than in the UK. 😉 Now Spain, France, and Italy are another story. Lots of good food.

There are a LOT of great beers in the US. Don't drink the local p!ss water known as Bud or Coors etc. That's not beer. If you choose to drink that mess that's your own fault. Get something like Victory Golden Monkey (a Belgian-style ale) or some of the other beers from small breweries. I drink mostly that or Guinness.

Also, let's not forget where this stuff (The Mac, et al) was invented. It wasn't in the UK. But they gave us the Beatles, and that's a good thing (even though they were imitating American R&B).

Oh, and do you really want to subject your friends to UK taxes?

I say move to Canada.

Mat Pridham1 wrote:

Definitely your prerogative... It still befuddles me that anyone would prefer jumping between two apps to complete one task, but I have to respect your right to do so. All I ask is that you respect the opinion of me and hundreds of others here (that believe RSS is alive and well and that Safari was a superior RSS reader) by not dismissing our reasonable complaints as "a big stink over a non issue". We respectfully (and sometimes not so respectfully) disagree.

Well Mat, there is no RSS in Safari. So that leaves you with either going to another browser, or using an RSS reader. I have the other browsers on my Mac, but I like Safari best. This situation hasn't changed my whole user experience much at all. I think it's better now.

The truth is that Safari was not a very good RSS reader. Do you use safari for email? Probably not, because it's not an email client either. Using a separate RSS reader is like clicking links in an email and going to the web site in Safari. I'll assume you do that, right? Does that take away from your email/web experience? It works fine for me.

What I see is that I now have all my feeds in one window, which I never had with Safari. This is an improvement. I don't use Mail, so I have no idea how that handled RSS feeds, but that would take you back to the two apps again.

I don't have to use safari at all when using Vienna, and can chose to read everything in there. But I like dong it with the links going to Safari. If I have my Mac on, and I'm not recording music in Pro Tools or Cubase, then I also have Outlook, Safari, and Vienna open. Makes no difference if I have to click on a link in Vienna to go to Safari because it's takes the same amount of time as if I had read the RSS feed in Safari. And, I often read the posts in Vienna, and only click on the link if I need to read more.

So RSS is alive and well. I don't know who came up with the idea that it's not. But it's not in Safari anymore. Time to move on.

David Schwab wrote:

The truth is that Safari was not a very good RSS reader.

your opinion is not "the truth".

removing rss from safari, with no warning whatsoever, is one of the top 5 worst decisions i have witnessed from apple in almost 20 years. they removed a highly valuable feature and force people to dramatically change their behavour.

it has negative impact on lots of people and i couldn't care less about the opinion of people who use clunky rss readers.