Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

poddan wrote:

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/apple-joins -the-war-on-rss-20120731-23d8y.html

Could this explain why they ditch RSS support? If true this is very scary.

It isn't true. The author says "RSS is one of the universal open standards which underpins the web". I can assure you that there is nothing universal or standard about RSS.

I posted early in this thread about a new RSS feeder I had just released. I tested it on all the feeds I could find and it worked great. Unfortunately, my taste in websites seems to be too tech-centric. After some people tried out my app, I discovered that there are more than just three major RSS feed format versions. There are literally an infinite number of them.

I can get feedback from users, try out those feeds, and issue an update in no time. That's exactly what I did. There is no way that Apple is going to issue an update to its flagship web browser just because Joe Blog's custom-coded RSS feed doesn't display in Safari.

At first I thought Apple was trying to push people to use its new notifications instead. After seeing some of these horriblly formatted real-world feeds people are publishing, now I think Apple just doesn't want to deal with it anymore.

while it may be true that different sites use different formats for rss i wouldnt say thats really apple's problem anymore different markup is. its the sites responsibilty to make something that works for it's users where it crosses into apple's area of interest is when the site is so popular that a decent chunk of its users are affected. besides didn't apple already remove the bug reporting button from safari a while ago anyway how would they even know? if apple had such a problem with rss (which alot of people subbing theis thread also seem to) why are they still using the technology for podcasts? i could also ask that question to those of you making the same arguement about nobody caring.

Removing RSS was a mistake and it has hurt many of apple's customers. i am assuming they actually did it in order to make safari faster but sacraficing functionality for speed is not a good idea. I could make my car go a whole lot faster and more fuel efficient by getting rid of everything but the drive train, the steering wheel and the seat but does that make it a goood idea?

personally i have managed to dodge this bullet so far by never upgrading to safari 6 or mountain lion. and in fact i will be putting off mountain lion as long as i can simply because of this lack of functionality. i think that the way that they "updated" safari without warning anyone they would lose RSS (a feature that previously distinguished safari from other browsers) was pretty unbelieveable. i have tried to warn as many people as i can about this glaring hole in the feature set.

Apple should really either restore the feature (at least as option if there is some kind of impact to speed) or open up safari enough that the full capabilty that a lot of us obviously can't live without at this point can be built into a plug in. And please don't link me to that "subscribe to RSS" plugin that for all it's good intentions, is about as great as non-alcoholic beer.

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s4lex wrote:

erebos wrote:

It's kind of a dumb article. Facebook has never had RSS, that alone should have killed RSS if anything, it did not.

I wonder why some people keep coming back with posts like these?

Oh yeah, because Troll.

http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=212445198787494

http://www.staynalive.com/2011/05/twitter-and-facebook-both-quietly-kill.html

Before you lamely critique ("dumb!") Adam Turner's well thought out and written article, try doing a little research. If you are not familiar with this concept, your peers might refer to it as "googling".

Maybe this is all a bad dream and I'll wake up to find RSS back in Safari 6.1 and OS X 10.8.2, and the insanely great mind of Ive in command of Apple. The way things are headed, this company might need this knight in shining iArmor sooner rather than later.

1984 Corporate IBM, 2012 Cooked Apple... same difference?

I don't use Facebook so I wouldn't know abotu hidden RSS feeds.

What is everyone afraid of? Being spied on? Already happens. Your employer has legal right to do it. The government does. Companies follow you everywhere. It's over, privacy is dead. Think different inside of the new reality or perish. Nobody will protect you, protect yourself, organize, fight back, or b**ch like children, your choice..

I knew that I used Safari 5's built-in RSS functionality a lot, but didn't realize how valuable it was to my daily work until Apple yanked it out with no warning in Safari 6.

Shame on you Apple! Bring RSS back to Safari. As this commenter wrote on a related blog article:

"Apple killed the use of their computers to 100,000s of people struggling with disabilities. Cancer killed Steve: Tim killed Apple… and my friend’s livelihood (writing editorials on the day’s news) THANKS!!!"

Twitter and Facebook sharing will *never* replace the open standards and open data empowerment that RSS enabled for web site developers and content creators. It's too bad so many people are fooled or simply don't understand how many freedoms they give up when they cave into proprietary corporate technologies over open Internet standards.

http://gigaom.com/2012/09/07/twitter-killed-my-business-an-inside-look-at-the-ec osystem-crackdown/

Another truthful and informed blog post on this topic:

http://muddledramblings.com/rumblings-from-the-secret-labs/no-rss-in-safari-6-se riously/

"I am mostly happy with the new version of Safari. Mostly. I am also stunned and dismayed that they have removed the support for RSS feeds. Yes, stunned anddismayed.

Something important has happened in the
Media Empire!

You see how simple and unobtrusive that is? Not some feed that shows me big blocks of info, just a number in a place I’m likely to notice. Not in some other app that I need to check periodically.

With a heavy sigh this morning I set out once more to find an RSS reader that doesn’t suck. I couldn’t find one. Out of the pile of newsreader apps I waded through, they ALL failed on at least one of these criteria..."

Bring back native RSS functionality to Safari!

* It is not something that broke Safari (it has been there for years)

* Those who don't wish to use it, don't have to (I am still getting Java updates for my browser. How many websites still use applets? May be not even 1% of the web. But how many websites have RSS functionality? Probably most of the dynamic websites out there - not the static ones!)

* A simple preference in Safari can be used to turn this functionality on or off (if having it always on irks Apple and other media controllers).

* Just like Apple supported HTML5 over a proprietary Flash, it should again take the same stand - support the open RSS standards (may be even adopt one, like Webkit) over the closed social networking platforms.

So, Apple, please bring back the RSS functionality in Safari/Mail. It's important for many of your customers!

There are no open RSS standards. RSS feeds are just random XML files. I tried to capitalize on Apple's decision to remove RSS from Safari by releasing my own RSS reader. Now I can see why Apple did that. RSS feeds are a mess and Apple didn't want to deal with it anymore.

Funny, I never had any problems with Safari RSS feeds. If Apple wanted to only support RSS feeds that were standard compliant, then I would be fine with that. Heck, Apple could just as well publish it's own standard and guess what, most would follow. But, etresoft, go ahead and you publish your standard and see who pays attention to you.

This is why it's important for Apple to continue to support RSS feeds, and not you (no offense meant.)

But Apple is not supporting RSS for a reason and the Internet is less free and open because of this stance. I don't mind Apple making lots of profit from locked in iDevices as long as they continue to support free and open standards along with access for experienced or pro users. Unfortunately, they keep backing away from these latter approaches and that makes Apple less tolerable. Today, I think Apple and Microsoft have switched places with regard to closed platforms and I think people's attitudes are recognizing this.

In fact, I think one can make the case that half of the Android market share is directly attributable to this attitude (the other half being cost). Apple please take notice as I don't want to abandon you, but feel I am being forced away.

@etesoft your point has already been addressed and discounted i dont see why you are defending apple on this. the irony of this situation because not every tom dick and harry even knows what rss even is not enough people can complain about this but this snafu imo actually puts the map thing to shame. Apple is sacraficing its core user base nowadyas in favor of the masses each day that passes its goign to get a little more like microsoft and google and little less like the apple we all fell in love with if soemthing isnt done to change course on things like this rss feed thing.

Come on Cook, help us out here!

paul1@mac.com wrote:

listen apple. i am an angry loyal customer. and i am not the only one.

taking out rss was a mistake and you have to correct that asap.

Agreed. I just picked up an Ubuntu v12 netbook with 8GB RAM and an 256GB SSD for under $600. Would have spent the extra coin for a MacBook Air, but I will not buy another Mac or upgrade any of my current Macs to Mountain Lion until RSS is brought back to OS X and Safari.

I'm still hopeful that a smart, courageous person at Apple that respects Steve's legacy of simplicity (as afforded by the simply beautiful RSS functionality in Safari 5) will eventually bring it back. At least show some respect for us open source and open standards folks who were early OS X and MacBook Pro adopters, and remained loyal as Linux desktop usability and Android mobile functionality have caught up with or surpassed OS X and iOS -- please make some public announcement if you truly believe RSS was hurting OS X and Safari. Don't just rip out this feature and pretend that no one noticed.

i also am boycotting safari 6 & mountain lion for as long as i can because of this issue. like i said before the least they can do is restore some option for people who want to regain the missing functionality. that rss button extension just reminds you how bad it is that safari no longer reads feeds. isnt there room in the marketplace for a little differentiation?

ubernaut wrote:

@etesoft your point has already been addressed and discounted i dont see why you are defending apple on this.

Because I actually wrote an RSS feed reader. People here keep talking about "free and open standards" and assume that somehow has something to do with RSS. It doesn't. There is nothing "open" or "standard" about RSS.

Imagine if each web site had its own version of HTML. I don't mean HTML3.2, HTML 4.01, HTML5, and XHTML - I mean a different set of tags for each site. Eventually, Safari would only be able to display headings and paragraphs and hide everything else. That is exactly what Safari's RSS reader does. All it can do is the lowest common denominator.

You wonder why I keep defending Apple and I wonder why you keep defending Apple. Safari's RSS reader was one of the most feature-lacking of any RSS readers. I released my own RSS reader that didn't do much more than Safari but added notifications. All of the feedback I get from users is to add features that Safari never had to begin with.

s4lex wrote:

paul1@mac.com wrote:

listen apple. i am an angry loyal customer. and i am not the only one.

taking out rss was a mistake and you have to correct that asap.

Agreed. I just picked up an Ubuntu v12 netbook with 8GB RAM and an 256GB SSD for under $600. Would have spent the extra coin for a MacBook Air, but I will not buy another Mac or upgrade any of my current Macs to Mountain Lion until RSS is brought back to OS X and Safari.

I'm still hopeful that a smart, courageous person at Apple that respects Steve's legacy of simplicity (as afforded by the simply beautiful RSS functionality in Safari 5) will eventually bring it back. At least show some respect for us open source and open standards folks who were early OS X and MacBook Pro adopters, and remained loyal as Linux desktop usability and Android mobile functionality have caught up with or surpassed OS X and iOS -- please make some public announcement if you truly believe RSS was hurting OS X and Safari. Don't just rip out this feature and pretend that no one noticed.

If this keeps going as it is my next laptop will be a Thinkpad with Linux installed. As a professional who always buys Apple products because of the quality I am totally frustrated.

When was the last time we had a real feature on OS X? I think it was Snow Leopard with cool stuff like Grand Central Dispatch and OpenCL. I'm pretty sure the guys who works with arts and design that used to buy Apple products are also disappointed with the system.

Instead of real upgrades what do we have? "System-wide Facebook and Twitter integration". Is that supposed to be a joke?

The thing that scares me more than all is that the next versions of the Macbook Pro will be basically "an iPad with Keyboard".

im not defending apple on this, the move made no sense to me especially the lack of mentioning that feature loss. when you say you added notifications, safari already has the ability to notify you and in a better way then any other browser (through toolbar folders of feeds) it also displays the feeds themselves in a far better way then any other browser and all of the dedicated feed readers i have seen trying to replace the feature for others who've already upgraded to safari 6. im curious what other features you might be referring to.