Fullscreen with dual monitors still broken

The Macbook Pro is aweome. The Mac software is horrendous. It turns a smooth piece of hardware into an absolute children's toy. Good luck finding a game for it at a games shop though. This software ***** so bad. I'm trying to download my voice recordings from my iphone using itunes now. If these priceless recordings are not automatically deleted through the syncing process, it will take me an hour to figure out where they went. I just hope they aren't overwriting previous irreplaceable recordings with names like 'untitled 1', 'untitled 2' etc.

And what's with the dialogue boxes for programs that look exactly like Finder but without access to file management options ?!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not allowed to create a new directory or move or delete or rename other files?

And what about the file name windows that show only 30 characters?

If you make software instead of simply use it, Mac software is your worst enemy.

DONT TRUST THE CLOUD, AND DEFINITELY DONT TRUST THE TIME MACHINE - if you clear your hard drive when it gets full thinking the time machine has it backed up on an external drive, good luck ever seeing those files again. Data loss can drive you to madness - you have literally lost a part of your mind (unless you're just a customer of the world instead of a builder of the world in which case nothing you do matters).

Zxen wrote:

DONT TRUST THE CLOUD, AND DEFINITELY DONT TRUST THE TIME MACHINE - if you clear your hard drive when it gets full thinking the time machine has it backed up on an external drive, good luck ever seeing those files again.

Time Machine has never billed itself as permanent off-system storage; it's a FIFO system based on available space. Using it as permanent storage is doomed to eventual failure. Backups fail -- this is not specific to Time Machine or Apple. And, in point of fact, one cannot reliably say they have a backup until they have redundant copies of the same data on separate RAID hardware in disparate physical locations. Yelling at Time Machine doesn't fix the problem. Clone your backup disks on a rotating basis and store them in a safe deposit box somewhere. No, I'm not kidding. Moreover, you haven't got a backup until you've proven you can restore with it. Just sayin'.

At the very minimum, Time Machine should be backing up to RAID NAS. Time Capsule, as cute as it may be, doesn't have enterprise-class HDDs despite the ad copy and it likes to eat power supply capacitors.

Zxen wrote:

If you make software instead of simply use it, Mac software is your worst enemy.

I can't speak of Mountain Lion, but OS X 10.6.8 and all manner of Mac software has made for a very enjoyable computing experience. I work in IT and development. YMMV.

Apparently you were heard,

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2012/10/17/apple-is-aware-of-problems-with-running- fullscreen-mac-apps-on-multiple-monitors/

though of course we're still waiting...

Wooooooooo!!: http://www.apple.com/osx/preview/#multiple-displays

Apparently the problem in 10.9 is that becuase the desktops/screens are now seen as completely seperate desktops, you cant overlap applications across two monitors. Not a problem for me but i know some people who do that.

Am still somewhat scared of iOS7 icons, Helvetica Neue and patronising pastel. Also somewhat scared of Mavericks, but happy that I have my Snow Leopard DVD to hand.

Yep - looks like they fixed the problems where you want to use the screens separately (e.g. business presentation with one doc full-screen on LCD projector and another on your Macbook screen) while totally breaking it if you have multiple desktop monitors that you want to treat as one big screen.

I really hope they realize the insanity of this and fix it before 10.9 is released! Let the use choose how it should work! Sometimes I want the existing way and sometimes the new way. Any sometimes both when my rMBB is attached to two Dell 27" monitors. I want the 2 external monitors to be treated as a single display with a single menu and dock and wallpaper. And I want the rMBP's screen to have its own menu/dock and space switching!!!

David

unfrostedpoptart wrote:

I really hope they realize the insanity of this and fix it before 10.9 is released! Let the use choose how it should work!

It's an interesting -- and unfortunate -- trend in software development these days to wholesale remove features that developers decide that nobody uses/needs. Apple, for example, decided that nobody used CoverFlow in iTunes and removed the feature (and annoyed the legions of users who DO use CoverFlow). Recently, the Mozilla guys removed Growl support from the code base ("Notification Center is the way forward") and SeaMonkey no longer can talk to Growl on Snow Leopard, which doesn't have Notification Center. When I'm working on a different desktop and mail comes in, I can no longer see the account information.

Honestly, I do believe that the chief problem is that the people who code this stuff don't actually use it. Forcing desktop spaces to be unlinked between displays will totally bork my work flow. 😠

So does this mean that you will no longer be able to drag windows from one display to another with out going into Mission Control ?

Not a big problem I guess but another big change and shows that multi-monitor support is still evolving in OSX

LOL, that page linked from above says:

"Even show a desktop on one display and a full-screen app on another."

Well then, so now Lion will be more like how it should have worked in the first place ?

Let's hope we can finally put this thread to rest.

I will award 10/10 only if Mission control works on my iMac 2.66 i5, as smoothly as Spaces did though ;-)