os x mountain lion not compatible with this computer? what !!

The Apple reps gave you the wrong info. The reason your 2006 cannot get ML is because it cannot boot in 64b mode. The EFI (think of it like a bios) is only 32-bit on the 2006 and 2007 models. The 2008+ models are 64-bit, which is what Mountain Lion requires. Apple could, if wanted to, fix that issue but I am sure doesn't care.

That does not surpise me. That is it does not surprise me that the Apple reps do not know what they are talking about and that Apple could fix the issue but doe not. Why bother when you are making loads of cash anyway. How Apple have forgotten their Dark days of the late 80's and early 90's when it was the humble PC user that kept the candle alight for them. Look at their latest models, where the battery is glued in place, and memory can not be upgraded. Hardware for them is a consumable that they want you to throw away and buy new after a couple of years.

sipeki wrote:

That does not surpise me. That is it does not surprise me that the Apple reps do not know what they are talking about and that Apple could fix the issue but doe not. Why bother when you are making loads of cash anyway. How Apple have forgotten their Dark days of the late 80's and early 90's when it was the humble PC user that kept the candle alight for them. Look at their latest models, where the battery is glued in place, and memory can not be upgraded. Hardware for them is a consumable that they want you to throw away and buy new after a couple of years.

www.apple.com/feedback is where you need to go, this an Apple users site.

That's because Apple isn't all about money, at least that is what they say in public. Sounds like Apple doesn't know what it's doing anymore and I fear they will only show their true colors even more in the next few years. Dark days ae ahead for them.

And how would Apple "fix this issue"? Upgrade your logic board for free?

No they don't have to replace the logic board as other have proven. Couldn't the EFI be reflashed to support 64 bit mode? There are some people in the hacker community that are trying that route. Others have done a software one, as they do with a hackintosh.

No, the EFI could not be reflashed, you would have to replace it, hence the logic board statement. Won't comment on the hackintosh.

Apple is very much about the money. The could spend a fraction of their revenue and save us all a lot of money and time. Take a look at these figures in this article: http://m.gizmodo.com/5931185/why-apple-tv-just-became-apples-most-important-prod uct

Well if the AppleTV is Apple's most important product you would think that they would try their hardest to make everything the have work with it, past and present.

I know that comment that was stated by Apple is false, they are just saying that to public which everyone knows is a lie. Just like they care about the enviroment, their workers, etc. That is how all companies are now. Its all about how much money then can get the quickest no matter what they have to do to get it.

I have already stopped supporting a few companies because of their policies, our $$$ is how we vote. Don't like something, get as many people as you can to stop buying things from them and they will either go out or fix their ideals. Look at Netflix, ever since their snaffu their customer base is dropping. I know I left and wont go back.

Apple keeps locking their products so that cannot be fixed, cut their life short. I will stop purchasing their products. I will go back to Windows, Linux, or create a Hackintosh (which is super easy to do and a lot less $$$). The iPhone is locked down to the Carriers, so if you get an AT&T one, fulfill your contract, get the SIM unlocked, you still cannot use it on another carrier unless you jump through some hoops because you cannot get to basic phone settings needed for other carriers. They supply a tool to sort of fix that issue, but no MMS and some other things don't work right.

Apple isn't any different today than when Steve Jobs returned to the company. You are just mad that your computer doesn't have the hardware required to use AirPlay mirroring, which I really think is an overrated feature in ML, on the Xbox 360 and the Windows computers that also take advantage of this capability.

And in hardware you can't make everything in the past work with it, nor would you want to. Early HDTVs can't do BluRay, later BluRay TVs can't do 3D, etc. This is the life of technology. Current iPhones will not be able to do 4G LTE when an iPhone with that capability is released.

Apple is not cutting the life short on anything. I have an early MacPro. Can't run ML on it but it still capably does the same job for me that it did last week and the week before that. Planning on using it for a couple of more years then moving on. At that point it will be almost nine years old, pretty old for technology.

Apple has made their computers where they can't be fixed? They can fix all of their computers. But if you are referring to the rMBP, welcome to the future. I know you aren't near old enough to remember but you used to be able to work on your TV, take the suspected bad tubes to Ralph's supermarket, find the culprit, buy a replacement, put it in. Try working on any TV made in the past 10 years. Things change. How long do you think it will be before every other computer maker brings out their version of the rMBP? Months? Weeks?

If you are looking for eternal backwards compatibily you really should move back to Windows. But hurry before they release Windows 8. And if you are going to go the route of breaking licensing agreements go for it but I don't really care for people who do that, steal music, etc. and then proclaim themselves champions of the people.

As far as phones locked to carriers can you name any manufacturer in the US that has not done this. Apple tried a new cell phone paradigm with the original iPhone and was forced to abandon it and go to a more traditional contract with AT&T. They coudl not change the cell phone market in the US. And yes, if you legally unlock it (or bought an unlocked one from Apple, an option that has been around longer than AT&T, you can get it to work with supported carriers very easily all over the world. If you are using an unsupported carrier it is a bit harder because they do not include the necessary information on their microSIM for that hardware so you have to resort to manually entering the data. This is the same with all other cell phone manufacturers so you best bet there is to vote with your dollars and don't buy a cell phone.

I could care less about AirPlay. I don't own 1 Mac that supports it and I own 3. I do care that I cannot install ML for a bull reason when the 2006 Mac pro was stated as a 64b machine.

The iPhone problem is because Apple won't allow access you APN & MMS setting. They lock users out of those settings when every other phone allows it. So get off your high horse and see what they are doing. One day it will be you in this boat, and I hope it is very, very soon.

Sorry, I stand corrected, you are upset that your MacPro won't update to ML. Same difference.

An unlocked iPhone will allow you to access the APN but with some providers it is necessary to use the iPhone configuration tool, made by Apple for this very purpose. All other cell makers also provide cell tools. What is the issue? That they are making their cell phones like everyone else's? And no one is any more locked out on the iPhone than they are on the Galaxy III S, which is only available on some carriers. MMS is more of a problem on T-Mobile USA, but they are not a supported carrier and even 3G is a problem with them. Because of the iPhone? No, because T-Mobile USA uses a non-standard 3G frequency (but they are working on it).

You obviously have very little experience with cell phones or you would know that none of the items you mention are unique to the iPhone and existed before the iPhone even existed.

I have a MacPro 1,1, is that the boat you speak of? We are in there together. I'm just not throwing a juvenile fit about it, I realize new technology comes along. No use raising your blood pressure over it. It is called progress.

Also, I don't own any horses and haven't been on a high horse since I retired.

Setting the APN is easy to do with the Apple Cmfigurator, MMS cannot be done that way. There is only two ways to make MMS work on an unlocked iPhone. One is download a program called iBackup and edit the plist files and restore. The other way is Jailbreak it. That's the point, why do they feel the need to lock it down when it is needed. That would be like selling you a car but saying you can only drive it at night with no lights and the windows blacked out.

It's not a Juvenal fit. It is shared by almost everyone who has one of those machines. They run circles around most new ones and Apple should have addressed that problem with their flagship business computer. If it was a mini, iMac, or MacBook Pro I wouldn't care as much. In fact I just replaced my MacBook because I knew it wasn't going to run ML. But replacing a Mac Pro is a little different, about a $3000 difference. Apple has already shown it isnt afraid of killing off your Mac in a few years, no other computer mfg does that. Especially one that has an app store that makes them good money. I personally would want as many machines as I could using it for as long as possible.

As I said I own quite a few Apple products, Airport Extreme, AppleTV version 3, the New iPad, iPhone 4, Mac Pro 2006, Mac Pro 2008, and MacBook Pro 2010. That being said I used to have a hackintosh that is older then 2006 and I still had it would be on ML. Both my Mac Pro's have been upgraded to an ATI Radeon 5770 video card, since both those models had very bad, recalled video cards stock.

Lord Of The Weirdos wrote:

No they don't have to replace the logic board as other have proven. Couldn't the EFI be reflashed to support 64 bit mode? There are some people in the hacker community that are trying that route. Others have done a software one, as they do with a hackintosh.

No matter how often you reflash a 32bit EFI it won't grow 32 more bits!!!

MMS works just fine on ANY supported carrier around the world on an unlocked iPhone.

Only on unsupported carriers does this become an issue and there are workarounds. The one thing Apple does differently than some phones is they use the cell data stream as an aid to sending it. No cell data and you cannot send MMS. This is a non-issue that you, with your lack of relative knowledge of cell phones and providers, are blowing out of proportion.

I'm not the only person I know with a MacPro 1,1. None of them are bothered in the least with the fact that it cannot run Mountain Lion. They all know, as Csound1 put it so well, "...a 32bit EFI it won't grow 32 more bits!!!"

And yes, I have the aforementioned MacPro 1,1, a late 2011 MacBook Pro with an SSD (which won't do Power Nap which I would have liked to have), iPhone, iPad, iPod Nano, Airport Extreme, 3 ATVs (each generation), AEXs, etc. And "Flagship" computer? No, the rMBP is the current "Flagship". The MacPro is a workhorse beast that a lot of people thought was going to be discontinued. You can't even get Thunderbolt on the current model.

And as far as your hackintosh (contracts and licenses don't mean much to you, do they) back in 2005?, I seriously doubt that it had a 64bit EFI.