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macfrombrampton Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

When I perform a ls -l of my home directory after a reinstall of the Snow Leopard Disk I see a group of "wheel" before the installation disk had a group of "staff" for my home directory. Which is correct for a fresh install? Should the group for home directory be Wheel or Staff?

ls-l group.jpg


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)
  • 1. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    Mark Jalbert Level 5 Level 5 (4,475 points)

    I would expect that the group would be staff. The group wheel suggests that you repaired your home folder permissions. Either staff or wheel is fine.

  • 2. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    BobHarris Level 6 Level 6 (13,120 points)

    On a system that is only used by you, wheel is fine.  It basically says anyone in the "wheel" group can access your home folder via the 'group' permissions on your home folder.  But since the "wheel" group tends to be associated with admins, chances are members of the "wheel" group have other privileged ways of accessing anything on the Mac they want.  And in 99.999999% of the cases, the "wheel" is you and only you.

     

    I have a clean install Lion and my home is "staff".  I expect your's should be "staff" as well.

  • 3. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    WZZZ Level 6 Level 6 (12,225 points)

    Mistake. Will repost

  • 4. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    WZZZ Level 6 Level 6 (12,225 points)

    Sorry, ignore again. Getting too complicated.

  • 5. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    macfrombrampton Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Mark, this occurred after a complete reinstall of Snow leopard and update. I am suspecting my updates are being misdirected to a file server providing incorrect infomration. My previous snow Leopard install had the group "staff". Also I also got a update called MBP17 in my software update that was not yet identified in my previous post.

  • 6. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    Mark Jalbert Level 5 Level 5 (4,475 points)

    I see nothing malicious with the file permissions inside your home folder. The directories are missing the default access control lists and the Sites and Public directories have their permissions locked down. If anything, I see an attempt to further secure your home folder.

  • 7. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    macfrombrampton Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Mark Jalbert you are wrong. I have asked apple and the default should be Staff. Also I have reinstalled Snow leopard and the group installed as Staff. And yet another test I did when I had the group Wheel is I created another account and it created the account with a group of staff as well.

  • 8. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    You will find wheel and Staff on literally every OS X installation in the world. It's part of how UNIX works.

     

    You just aren't happy unless you're trying to find something "suspicious", are you?

  • 9. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    You could also look this stuff up yourself instead of bothering other users here with your paranoia. Here's some references:

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_(Unix_term)

     

    Also from Apple's page here:

     

    Group - Admin users are members of the groups called "staff" and "admin". The super user "root" is a member of these and several other groups. Non-admin users are members of "staff" only. Typically, all files and folders are assigned to either "staff," "admin," or "wheel".

  • 10. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    macfrombrampton Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Kurt Lang If you paid attention to the message you would see this occurred after a new install and should not of occurred.

  • 11. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    My attention is just fine. After very recently doing much installing of three versions of OS X on an erased drive, there were (of course!) a wheel, staff and admin on every install. It's NOTHING new. Can you understand this?

  • 12. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    noondaywitch Level 6 Level 6 (8,130 points)

    Forget it Kurt.

    He's the computer equivalent of a hypochondriac - determined to find something wrong.

  • 13. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,995 points)

    Yeah, but the only reason I respond is to fend off people seeing a thread like this and then saying, "I have this too! Am I infected with something?"

     

    Now technically, he shouldn't normally be seeing wheel for his account. I checked my current installs of Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion, and ls -l in both assign all of my user account ownership as staff. But as the text in Apple's own documentation show ...

     

    Typically, all files and folders are assigned to either "staff," "admin," or "wheel".

     

    ... it doesn't always come out this way. What I referred to above was I kept erasing a partition over and over to test various versions of OS X with the Adobe CS5.5 and CS6 Master Collections to see where a problem was being introduced, and how to fix it. With this thread in mind, I was also watching the ownership assignments. Most of the time, my admin and standard accounts came up as staff. But once in a while, they'd be wheel. But it makes no difference which one you are assigned to. It's like being King or Emperor. Same difference.

  • 14. Re: Snow Leopard home directory group
    Mark Jalbert Level 5 Level 5 (4,475 points)

    Yeah, but the only reason I respond is to fend off people seeing a thread like this and then saying, "I have this too! Am I infected with something?"

    Those that feel infected should visit this website- http://www.stopabductions.com/

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