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sync without iCloud?

After I have installed Mountain Lion, I have had a number of sync issues via iTunes and for a while I thought these were the same reasons I could not sync my notes from my iPhone with the fancy new application on my Macbook.....until I came across this article informing me that it is no longer supported in Mountain Lion(!!!!): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4191 (relevant part half way down under Syncing Notes with iTunes and OS X Mountain Lion v10.8)


I am a traditionalist when it comes to privacy and data security. I like to keep my data on my hardware behind firewall, only upload data onto the web that I genuinly want to share with others (...even to the point of using POP mail account). I have no intention to use iCloud (it seems I am not alone in this, sure you all read the comments by Steve Wozniak http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/routers-storage/apple-co-founder-thinks -the-cloud-will-be-horrendous-1091188).


The way things go, I will end up with 6 different Mac devices at home that will stop talking to each other unless I feed all the data into the cloud.


Does anyone know a way to sync everything just on your home network, without having to upload stuff to the web? Why cannot we have our own homeCloud? Any suggestions welcome (including from Apple)......Hope I will not have to abandon my Mac devices and consider (dare I even say) Windows!?

MacBook Air (13-inch Late 2010), OS X Mountain Lion, iPhone 4 with latest IOS

Posted on Aug 11, 2012 6:53 AM

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Aug 11, 2012 4:55 PM in response to Glenn Leblanc

What he said.


Unless your personal finances are cash only, you have no insurance and no bank account, you've never gone to the doctor or the hospital, never shopped online, and you have no customer courtesy cards, your personal life is already on computers connected to the Internet. And lets not forget your tax information, driver license, etc. For just a few dollars anyone who cares to can find out every little detail about you. What's a calendar, contacts, and notes adding to that?

Aug 12, 2012 12:06 AM in response to dwb

Dear All,


Thank you for the different points of view on whether or not to use iCloud. As I mentioned, I believe it is a personal choice and it should remain a personal choice (dear Apple!).


What the initial question aimed at is to find reliable alternative (i.e. non-iCloud or IMAP) based sync solutions for Notes right now and for anything else in the future (I believe the next versions of iTunes and IOS are likely to gradually withdraw direct sync functionalities and push everything towards the cloud).


Thank you for all the contributions.

Aug 12, 2012 6:58 AM in response to Z001

Sorry you didn't find your answer. I'm sure if there was a good simple alternative to syncing notes, someone would have posted it and still may. I have searched around and could find no other simple alternative. I don't think Apple will abandon the iTunes syncing for the other features in Mountain Lion, but who knows what the next OS will change. On the other hand, they may even add note syncing back to iTunes.


You might want to send Apple Feedback on this:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Aug 12, 2012 3:21 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein

ZOO1 asked for any suggestions and I gave him my suggestions. I wasn't disrespectful to him and respect his desire not to use iCloud. If I knew of a solution for syncing notes in an easy manner, I would gladly give it to him.

I believe many people don't understand what iCloud is about. It is not cloud computing where all files and data are stored on a server. So, I was expressing my opinion.


No one is forcing anybody to update their system to the newest. I suspect that many people will stay with Snow Leopard for a long time to avoid the changes. If you think Windows isn't using servers for syncing between devices, then go with them. I surely won't lose sleep over it.


BTW: iCloud is not "pulbic". A lot of people complain about not wanting their AB & Calendars info in iCloud because they are afraid of the cloud, an yet have their contacts & calendars in Yahoo or Google, have all their info in Facebook, & whatever. What's up with that???

I got sad news for you. As dwb said, every aspect of your life is already in the cloud. Much more than you think.


Instead of criticizing what what I posted, post some information to help the OP.

Aug 12, 2012 3:37 PM in response to idontcarejustletmein

The problem is there really is no other solution than syncing from a centrally located source. Today the typical user has a computer at home and at work, accesses a public computer at school, the library, or an Internet kiosk. We have phones, tablets, and other smart devices. Syncing locally doesnt cut it any longer and you can see it in reviews of applications that share data. Lots of iOS apps offered WiFi or tethered syncing and got lambasted by users for lacking some form of Internet sharing.


Then there are those who want to nothing to do with the cloud. What amazes me is how few of them have rational arguments. So fine, stay out of the cloud...while you can. But meanwhile you are dreaming if you think you are defending your privacy. It is a lie...like the cake

Aug 12, 2012 3:42 PM in response to dwb

What amazes me is how few of them have rational arguments.


It's called privacy. I don't want my personal notes on someone else's server.


But meanwhile you are dreaming if you think you are defending your privacy. It is a lie...like the cake

I don't see how I'm "dreaming". If my notes stay on my computer and my devices only, it's private. Simple as that.



I am just going to have to stop using notes.


Probably just wifi connect with Goodreader, direct access it's files and edit from there. PITA though.

Aug 13, 2012 2:12 AM in response to Z001

You can probably find your way by creating your own cloud on a personnal server. For sure, there is a startup to create here which can sell a software, too many are complaining.


For your iPhone, at least you will sync your Notes to your own server.

For your Mac, you can hope that your Notes will be in a slqlite DB on your mac, so you can manage to sync them by yourself to your own server.

Aug 16, 2012 12:55 PM in response to dwb

Forget privacy for a second. But perhaps a lot of people are tiring of Apple constantly taking two steps forward and three back.


I sync everything via cable. I use IMAP email but no other form of cloud computing. Why? I live in the Middle East, I'm an airline pilot based in Dubai and so I travel a great deal, often working offline. Even at home, the internet can be a bit unreliable. So how do I sync notes now?


"The problem is there really is no other solution than syncing from a centrally located source."


Huh? Actually I was syncing just fine locally prior to Mountain Lion. The ironic thing is, one of the main reasons to upgrade for me was the cleaning up of several things like Notes and Reminders, taking them out of Mail (*** were they there in the first place?). But now I've had the choice to sync via the reliable old cable taken away and have to wait and wonder if they'll be pushed to my phone and iPad.


It doesn't even make any logical sense. Why force Notes to sync via iCloud and not other services? Just another dumb waste of my time *sigh*.


Apple is pretty smug about offering "over 200 new features" in Mountain Lion. Maybe they should include in the calculation the ones they take away, make more obscure, or move somewhere you can no longer intuitively find them. I for one will be ditching Notes altogether now, I can't be bothered to set up iCloud and all of the fiddling with settings just to do what I used to do easily with one click on the "Sync" button in iTunes.


Apple user since 1985, set up, used and configured more Apple products that I can possibly remember. Why not just add iCloud syncing without removing existing functionality?


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