sync without iCloud?

Z001 wrote:

Totally agree. Why does something between two of my devices has to leave the house and 'travel' through the net to distant servers (even if it is not stored there) and back.

That is the same argument that was used to show that UPS's methods were wrong, look how that turned out.

I'm not sure I get the connection between UPS (the parcel service I guess?) and Apple Notes. But whatever.

Look, I get the benefits of cloud computing. It has it's advantages, it has it's drawbacks. But one thing it definitely needs, is internet connectivity. So in places where that's iffy, it's a non-starter. Even in places where networks are reliable, they aren't 100%.

There is no reasonable defense for removing a prefectly good, reliable, alternate, non-internet-reliant, backup way of doing something. Period. As I said, it isn't even consistent. I'm really not interested in micro-managing something as banal as syncing notes on my iToys. It irritates me to even be wasting time posting about it.

But I AM starting to listen a little closer to the ranters who decry Apple as "anti-choice", where before I would simply smile and tune them out.

You can still sync by plugging the phone in (or iPad) and using iTunes, that has not been removed.

And UPS? JimCasey (founder of UPS) suggested (while still at school) that sending all packages to a central hub and then sending them on to their destination would be the best way to do it, his Teacher derided the idea as wasteful, look how that turned out.

You can still sync by plugging the phone in (or iPad) and using iTunes, that has not been removed.

But you can't access those backupped notes in any meaningful way.

And UPS? JimCasey (founder of UPS) suggested (while still at school) that sending all packages to a central hub and then sending them on to their destination would be the best way to do it, his Teacher derided the idea as wasteful, look how that turned out.

Really? You are comparing a physical logistic problem with a eletronic one where transfer of information is almost instant and has practically zero cost?

Please. Please stop defending Apple's BS stupid decision.

Umm...well, no. My whole complaint is with the fact that in Mountain Lion, you can no longer sync Notes by plugging in your iThingy. So I can either register for iCloud and configure my iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro appropriately for this one function, or just say the heck with it and ditch Notes altogether. I'm going with the latter.

And yes, as an airline pilot I'm quite familiar with the hub and spoke concept, it's been around longer than parcel delivery services. But I wouldn't consider physical goods and electronic media the same thing so it's a pretty weak parallel.

winglet wrote:

Umm...well, no. My whole complaint is with the fact that in Mountain Lion, you can no longer sync Notes by plugging in your iThingy. So I can either register for iCloud and configure my iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro appropriately for this one function, or just say the heck with it and ditch Notes altogether. I'm going with the latter.

And yes, as an airline pilot I'm quite familiar with the hub and spoke concept, it's been around longer than parcel delivery services. But I wouldn't consider physical goods and electronic media the same thing so it's a pretty weak parallel.

Time will tell if that is true.

When I reply to you I will note your response, until then .....

LOL. I can post whenever I want. I don't see any rules here regarding that.

Offended that I called you out on your BS?

PS: I despise Apple Fanboys like you as much as I despise the Apple haters. I swear "fans" who "don't think" are half of what's wrong with this stupid world.

idontcarejustletmein wrote:

LOL. I can post whenever I want. I don't see any rules here regarding that.

Offended that I called you out on your BS?

No, just amazed that you think there is "practically zero cost" to the Internet infrastructure, but that is up to you.

Geezus this particular argument is dumb. UPS and cloud computing have nothing in common as to what they are trying to achieve. Trying to move a physical parcel from once place to another is not trying to achieve the same thing as the benefits of iCloud and similar services. Sheesh.

If you MUST cling to your analogy, try this: just because couriers started delivering packages, they didn't force people to stop using regular postal service. And THAT's what Apple is doing here, removing a perfectly good choice.

Capiche?

No, just amazed that you think there is "practically zero cost" to the Internet infrastructure, but that is up to you.

UPS is a parcel delivery service. They have work because it's NOT free for people to move parcels themselves (time and effort) and UPS can do it more efficiently by using a centralised system with trucks that carry multiple parcels.

Moving data from an iPhone to a Macbook via USB on the other is practically "free" - the cost is insignificant. I can do it myself at nigh zero cost.

The reasoning that makes the use of UPS efficient doesn't apply here.

iCloud might make things more convinent - in some circumstance that isn't even true; iCloud seems to sync whenever it wants to and sometimes I can't just wait for it - but at a cost of privacy and needing an internet connection to do it. This doesn't work out for everyone. Stop forcing it down our throats.

they didn't force people to stop using regular postal service.

They didn't ban people from driving down to their friend's house and dropping stuff off either.

idontcarejustletmein wrote:

No, just amazed that you think there is "practically zero cost" to the Internet infrastructure, but that is up to you.

UPS is a parcel delivery service. They have work because it's NOT free for people to move parcels themselves (time and effort) and UPS can do it more efficiently by using a centralised system with trucks that carry multiple parcels.

Moving data from an iPhone to a Macbook via USB on the other is practically "free" - the cost is insignificant. I can do it myself at nigh zero cost.

The reasoning that makes the use of UPS efficient doesn't apply here.

iCloud might make things more convinent - in some circumstance that isn't even true; iCloud seems to sync whenever it wants to and sometimes I can't just wait for it - but at a cost of piracy and need an internet connection to do it. This doesn't work out for everyone. Stop forcing it down our throats.

iCloud does not Sync Contacts or Calendars (they are DAV services, look it up) it doesn't sync Mail either (Imap does that), you are mistaken about how it works, so tell me again what you think it should do?