Mac Mini, Synology, Apple TV, iTunes - where to start

Hi Everyone,


I am new to the apple forum. To be honest I am new to the whole Apple thing, being a Windows bod I managed to resist the Apple gravy train for several years before giving in and falling inline.


Now I find myself with an iphone, ipod touch, ipad 2, mac mini and apple TV 4 although not all in use yet... This brings me to my question.

What is the best home setup for sharing?


let me set the scene.

3 years ago I modernised my house and put in cat5e structured cabling throughout, all back to a comm rack in the loft. at the time I set up a powerful quad core server. I used to run my own AD domain, Exchange server (don't ask). Now the server runs Windows 7 professional with 8 HDDs running raid 5 mainly running windows media centre and I was using my xbox 360s as extenders. The view was to use Xbox's around the house to access my media. Never quite got there and things have moved on again.


After running the big Windows beast 24x7 for about 18 months I wanted to scale down again, improve data resillience and provide a simple user interface for my other half.


So after doing some initial web trawling armed and dangerous with a very small amount of knowledge and realising that I already had an amount of Apple kit to contribute towards an iTunes based mulitroom solution. The red mist came down and with credit card in hand I did some retail therapy. Not the female handbag and shoes type but the proper male tech kind.


I already had

1 x ipod touch 64GB

1 x iphone 4 32GB

1 x ipad 2 64GB wifi


And to complement the set I now have;

1 x i5 2.7GHZ, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD Mac mini (this is the latest version which I upgraded to 2 x 1TB internal drives)

1 x 4th gen apple TV

and non Apple kit

1 x Synology DS212+ with 8TB storage raid 0

1 x Onkyo TX-NR515 AV receiver



So now comes to the ask. How best to use all of this over my home wired network?

I'm thinking I will use iTunes, I want to have some form of data backup between the Synology and the Mac mini (I want to shut down my windows server)

I also want to be able to control it all from the ipad/ipod and push media (audio and video) around the house.

The mac mini is currently plugged into one of my TVs via the AV receiever and the thought was to use the apple TV in another room, and depending of how it goes buy another 1 or 2 for other rooms.

So I have all this kit and not sure where to start and I'm not a mac expert. I know I can't use the synology box on it's own as you need itunes for the apple TVs, I don't know whether to use the Synology or the local Mac storage for the primary itunes library and then to backup to the device is so how (time capsule thing).

I don't want itunes to organise my media as I don't like the way it shuffles files around, so thinking of keeping the media files in a folder structure I am familar with and pointing iTunes at that. I also have a large amount of video files that I will probably have to convert to be capatible with iTunes, but not sure of the best way to do this, if I need to at all.


Sorry for the long waffle. Would be interested in any views, suggestions, ideas or examples of your own set ups. In return, for what it is worth I will let you know how I get on.


many thanks for your input

Posted on Sep 3, 2012 10:00 AM

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Posted on Oct 24, 2012 1:41 AM

Hi,

There are now some very interesting discussions going on this thread. Let me see if I can help with some of your questions.

1) you won't have any issues with the synology as it is a NAS device it doesn't have to be formatted in the same way as a mac. You setup a folder structure and create network shares that can be connected to from pcs ans macs alike.


2) what to serve with this is probably the biggest question with several answers depending on your preference. I have a bit of a combination going on. On the synology there are a number of ways you can share media using DNLA / upnp

So devices like Xbox or PS3 can access directly. The problem is the user interface isn't slick, jus like browsing folders.

You obviously have iTunes, great for music and multi room setups with the Apple remote app for instance. But limited when it come to movies and tv and no live tv pvr if you want that. plex is great and has a lot of supporters. I'm not an expert but i do know Plex has 2 main parts the backend server which manages the media and then the front end which is the slick user presentation. You can have these parts together on the same machine but you can now run the plex server directly on the synology which is a great idea for centrally managing your media.

I have only dabbled with plex at the moment and am sterling away as I want my solution to include live tv and pvr. This is not the main use for plex, there are some add ons which I have not tried but understand they are not as slick as some others. I will mention some more about tv later.


3) where to manage the media, this for me is where the synology comes in, I personally don't like iTunes 'managing' and 'organising' everything for me. I like to know what I have, where it is, how it's tagged and importantly want the choice to move away from iTunes at a later stage if I want to or share my media through other means at the same time.

So what I do is have a number of media shares on the synology music, movies, home videos, pictures, tv. I can shares there via upnp, DNLA. I also point a iTunes instance running on a mac mini at the same shares but I don't pull the data into the iTunes library. This gives you the full iTunes capability of streaming to other apple devices, syncing iPads etc. I have also moved the iTunes library (the actual database, album art, playlists etc) to another shared on the synology called iTunes funny enough. There are forums on how to do this but if anyone is interested I can post something.

So this way the mac mini is just a presentation device with no data on at all. So you can replace without having to find and move your data. Also another good point on this is that you can have more than one iTunes server using the same media and iTunes library/database. So instantly you get the exact same iTunes library, playlists, album art etc. on more than one iTunes server. Any updates you do appear on the others. There are some gotchas with this though. Firstly all the itunes servers need to see the same media shares. You can't edit manage the iTunes on more than one machine at a time you have to close the others while you make changes on one, once you make the changes you can then reopen the others. I have also experienced issues with doing this method between macs and pcs, I think because the sharing path for the media between macs and pcs look slightly different so when I try to use on a pc it looses the media, but I will look at this at some point.


4) home videos etc, this is where other products such as plex, media portal and xbmc come into there own. I have been playing around with a few things and am now working on XBMC, probably one of the first media centres back in the day when you could hack the black Xbox stick in a massive 120GB disk and install xbmc. Probably where Microsoft got there media centre from. Anyway I digress, xbmc does everything, music, videos, tv etc. what I particularly like is the ability to integrate live tv pvr functions into a single media centre front end. I want to ditch my bt vision box, and have everything accessible from a single interface that my mum could use.

I am currently focusing on the tv side and have been playing with a number of options. I do have a win7 server with dual tunes running media centre and media centre extender on the xboxe and want to re create this and switch that big beast off. I've played with The eyetv tuners on the mac min, ok but didn't want multiple interfaces, you can get a plax add on for eyetv but I understands it isn't the smoothest. Then I stumbled across a couple of pvr solutions that can be run on the synology as backend servers and then connected to via multiple front ends such as iPad apps, xbmc for instance. Thes are DVBLink and tvheadend, both of which can be installed on the synology and you use a USB tv tuner plugged into the synology also do there own 'video station' but ther are no media centre plugins yet.

I have tried DVBLink and tvheadend, I could not find any tv channels in tvheadend but have had success with DVBLink and also with the xbmc plugin. So I have now ordered 2 x DVBLINK-T2 tuners so I can get free view HD and plan to build this over the weekend using DVBLink and xbmc.


Now here is the really intesting part (for me anyway) xbmc runs on several platforms, not just macs and pcs. There seems to be a really version version that people have running on the rasberry pi. For those of you that don't know it is a very cheap £20 micro computer with HDMI output and smaller than the ATV. designed For education and hobbiests there is some good stuff coming out on these. I bought one a while back to have a play with and may just have found the perfect use for it.


So if this works, then I am thinking the mac mini will not need to be on much at all, and I may just use for a central music store and around the house streaming, which seems a waste for a 16GB i7 with 2 x 1TB hdd but lets see how the xbmc And the pi work out.


5) photos, again down to preference, once you have a picture share on the synology you can use what you like, plex, xbmc, synology has something called photo station. You can use one or many tools to share and present to same source.


Just a couple More points around synology if you haven't got one yet consider what you want to use it for, if you want to use it for running service on such as tv pvr etc, then pick the more powerful options, I have the ds212+ which has better processor and memory. I don't use raid anymore, I used to but decided that I still needed to have backup somewhere else and there was a big cost difference in running 4 bay synology with raid 5 (you need to use the right disks, don't use Green disks for raid so disks will be more expensive) opposed to running a 2 bay with no raid. 1 have 2 x 4TB disk so have a 8TB NAS. As I fill it up I will get a second as a backup and keep it in a different part of the house and sync them.

You can also use synology as a time machine, plus there are countless other services you can run on them such as CCTV, mail server, BitTorrent server. They are a real powerhouse.


Anyway hope you have found this useful. Happy to post more on my own progress as I go and if anyone wants anymore information on the above I will try to help.

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Jan 9, 2013 5:41 PM in response to Alex Sirota

Alex,


Just FYI, the cost could be much less if you do the cabling yourself. As Tam did on his house, I also installed my cabling during a remodel because all the walls were exposed (no drywall) and I could run the cable somewhat quickly. I don't have an attic space, so I had to drill holes through each of the vertical wall studs in the path, and the number of 1-inch holes you'll need depends on the type of cable you'll run and how many runs will travel along the same path. I used CAT-6A rather than CAT-6 because it can support up to 10 gigabit speed over copper (which is usually only attainable with fiber), and because I wanted to "future proof" for as much bandwidth as poissible for HD and 4K-HD streams. Unfortunately CAT-6A is larger than CAT-6 (due to the extra cladding and shielding), therefore you can only fit about up to four CAT-6 cables per 1-inch hole in a wall stud. CAT-6 and CAT-5 (or CAT-5E) are much smaller in diameter, and can probably fit up to 8 cables through a single 1-inch hole. If you have an attic space, then you only have to worry about passing through horizontal "fire break" studs, but running the cable would be considerably easier.


Keep in mind, however, that a 1000-foot spool of CAT-6A is quite expensive in comparison to CAT-6. In the U.S., a 1000-foot spool of CAT-6 currently costs anywhere from $150 - $200. CAT-6A can be easily triple that price. You'd also need a CAT-6 (or 6A) EIA-568B punch down panel, as well as a CAT-6 RJ45 Ethernet jack, and wallplate or biscuit box for the jack for each drop, or multi-port plates if you have multiple runs to the same wallplate. You'll also need a punch-down tool if you don't have one (and wire stripper/cutters). If you know someone who has a cable tester you can borrow, that could save you lots of grief in checking connections.


Labor is the prohibitive part of having a vendor run the cables, so it can save lots of money to do it yourself.

Jan 13, 2013 12:06 PM in response to TamThread

Hi Tam, All


Superb thread.


Quick question if I may - I am close to purchasing a Synology 713 with 4x 3TB drives in it. I'd like to do as you've done and move my iTunes, iMovies and iPhoto folders/libraries to it as a network share. I'd read on another forum that these libraries needed to be on disks formatted to Mac OS Extended [Journaled] - yet reading the 413's specs it looks to only do EXT4 for internal disks - have you experienced any issues - or does the Synology NAS model you are running offer a wider range of formats ?


Many thanks

Jan 14, 2013 1:24 PM in response to Tom Wilcoxen

Tom


That sounds ideal I wish my DS213 did transcoding. Though I also use my minimac for playing music with a keyboard and guitar.


I've now added offsite backup from my synology and minimac using rsync to a old netgear NAS i've got off site.


Now I've got everything setup my family has given me strict instructions from my family to stop tinkering and let them enjoy it. I'm going to find this a challange as I still can't listen to the radio from my TV Tuner over the network but like you I have decided the next project is to turn the last remaining windows machine I own into a Linux server.


Tam

Apr 29, 2014 8:41 AM in response to iPerfection

Hi all, i'm now in a similar predicament. Been using a mac mini with plex media server connnected to a TV to serve movies to all my devices. (I use the plex home theatre software on themini itself to watch movies straight on Tv). I have 3 firewire800 WD externals. But lately one of those externals is acting up and i'm nervous. So I'm conidering of getting a synology (not sure which one yet) to be used as storage.


I'm planning to store all my video files on it and still use the mac mini as the plex media server. This would work considering I can find a way to keep the remote storage mounted everytime I turn on my mini, right? I have cat6 cables wired in the house already so my network is gigabit.


At this moment I don't use ATV or anything and i'd I do decided to add a TV in the bedroom I'd probaby get a Roku with Plex support or something.


Will this work? Should I shell out the money for a synology? Thanks.

May 4, 2014 3:16 AM in response to TamThread

@TamThread,


Thank you for the response. I think I will go ahead and pull the trigger on a Synology for storage.


I'm aware that some of them are capable of supporting Plex Server, but the price difference is quite large compared to the ones that can't, so I think I'm still going to just use the Mac Mini as the media server since it's been doing that all this time.


Good recommendation on the UPS since I live in Indonesia in which there are frequent blackouts (albeit only for 10-20 seconds before the backup generator from the building kicks in) but I'm sure often enough it might damage the NAS.


Thanks again.

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