Newbie: Logic Pro X

I've made some predictions - check out the site. Looks like 2013 from where i'm standing.. http://logicrumours.com

I can't wait to find out what the new font is going to be.

Its an ugly job, but somebody had to do it.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/macsoftware/news/?newsid=3413212&pagtype=allchandate LIE!!!!!!

http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/11/27/about-the-rumor-that-apple-decimated-its-p ro-audio-team/

Just to point out, Apple have gone on record saying that upgrades are dead for Logic 8-9 since the arrival of the Mac App store. That combined with the greatly reduced price leads me to believe upgrades are probably dead for Logic.

Just to point out, Apple have gone on record saying that upgrades are dead for Logic 8-9 since the arrival of the Mac App store. That combined with the greatly reduced price leads me to believe upgrades are probably dead for Logic.

Can you point me to where this was said by Apple?

Unless you mean that the price of a new copy of Logic is now about the same price as the old update price from L8 to L9 was... making update pricing irrelevant...

They pulled the upgrade from the store. And no, they arent the same. The one on the store is just the Logic 9 app without most of the other apps in the suite.

More importantly, Apple have given no functionality whatsoever as far as paid upgrades go in the Mac App Store to many developers ire, so assuming that they will release digitally (as they have done with the last 2 iterations of OSX) there will be none. Now a boxed product is likely but if the next logic is indeed X as is quite logical, it will ne deemed 'a new product' much like FCP X and no upgrade path will be given yet again.

There never was any upgrade on the App Store.

That's the point. Logic Studio is gone.

Logic Pro 9 which was a part of Logic Studio is now at a lower price to buy from the App Store as it was to upgrade from Logic 8. Other parts of Logic Studio are available via the App store with the exception of Soundtrack Pro, the functionality of which is now built in to FCPX and WaveBurner.. which so few users every used...The other major parts of the Studio package are either available for free as part of the additional download menu item in Logic 9 or they are available via the App Store again at a much cheaper price that it was to buy them all together as part of the Logic Studio package.

I suspect the next major version of Logic will be released as a full package (no upgrade pricing as such) and at the same price or less than L9 is currently and I have no issue with that as it would be still cheaper than it was to upgrade from L8 to L9! (Much the same way as the OS upgrades have been progressively cheaper via download than they ever were via physical purchase.)

So, I'm not really sure what you are complaining about to be honest....

Logic 9 plus the major parts of Logic Studio is much cheaper to buy from the App Store now than it was to purchase the full or upgrade version of the physical Logic Studio Boxed Set

Actually, there was a paid upgrade to start with. Apple stopped selling it the same time they brought released the App store. If I was complaining, that would be gripe one. Logic Studio being gone would really irk me for upgrades alone but there won't be any. This time round it's cheaper, but only becasue Soundtrack and the other parts had no new fucntionality added. Had there been updates to the apps in LP9's suite, then you would find that not to be true.

http://blog.wilshipley.com/2012/03/mac-app-store-needs-paid-upgrades.html

http://mac.appstorm.net/general/opinion/mac-app-store-paid-upgrades-how-apple-sh ould-fix-a-broken-model/

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/03/op-ed-the-mac-app-store-needs-paid-upgrades /

Secondly, they never added functionality to the App Store to be able to upgrade despite devs banging down their door about it. That would be gripe two. I very much doubt they would do so now as it would be a serious blow to developer confidence if they started doing things for their own products that other devs on the store can't do and wanted a long time ago.

The next version of L9 will be Logic X, and as shown in FCP X, no upgrade path was given becasue it's a 'different product'. I'm cool with that as if half the work that went into FCPX goes into Logic X I expect really good things... but I can't help being suspicious that two years after Logic X, when no upgrade pricing has existed in ProApps for 5 years.... they will magically 'forget' to bring it back for Logic X 10.1/11, along witht a somewhat useful suite.

Of couse, now my concerns are out in the open, it should be pretty obvious that I wasn't 'complaining' above thank you, simply informing the OP as to why I belived upgrades are dead, permanantly. This has nothing to do with what is cheaper at this moment in time, as once we've been weaned off paid upgrades things can very quicky change in that respect.

Agree with the art of sound. Apple re-packaged Logic into one big app when they bought Emagic. I suspect Apple will merge things even further into Logic (ie, waveburner )

Actually, there was a paid upgrade to start with.

Not via the App Store which is what I said... You could still purchase the original boxed upgrade just as you could still purchase the full boxed set of Logic Studio... from Apple.... but, there was never a means of buying an upgrade version to Logic 9 (Studio) Boxed Edition on the App Store.. Only the full version of Logic Pro 9 was made available on the App store which could be then purchased for the same price or in fact less than the upgrade version of Logic 9 boxed version would have cost at that time. This is the only reason I mentioned pricing.... to help with that distinction.

but I can't help being suspicious that two years after Logic X, when no upgrade pricing has existed in ProApps for 5 years.... they will magically 'forget' to bring it back for Logic X 10.1/11, along witht a somewhat useful suite.

And this is where our views differ... Time will prove one of us right and one of us wrong. Until then, both of us are simply guessing... and offering opinion.

My opinion is as follows...

I believe Apple will simply add more functionality to Logic.... as part of the next upgrade and i believe they will charge the same price (or less likely.. for a lower price) as they currently charge for the App Store version of Logic 9. This being the case, that cost would be the same or less than it used to cost Owners of L8 to upgrade to L9 and in turn it also encourages new users to purchase Logic due to the lower pricing these days (compared to what Logic used to cost) ... which then generates more software and hardware sales for Apple... which in turn provides more security for the future development of Logic... which in turn benefits us all!

It just makes logical (PNI) sense to me...

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LogicRumours.com wrote:

Agree with the art of sound. Apple re-packaged Logic into one big app when they bought Emagic. I suspect Apple will merge things even further into Logic (ie, waveburner )

I kind of doubt waveburner will show up in any form, it's been discontinued.. also, new Macs of all shapes and sizes will not be shipping with an optical drive.

Apple have abandoned CD/DVD as legacy and no longer of any use, (at least to them). One less expense, one less device with moving parts to fail.

Good point Pancenter. It would also fit in with Apples way of distrubuting music - iTunes. I'm sure there will some sort of mastering/arranging program though, even if it's just for internet distribution

So, no reduced-price upgrade path from Logic Pro 9, i take it? I guess the App Store method of selling software doesn't lend itself to upgrades, which is unfortunate...although an "In-App Upgrade" shouldn't be out of the question, no? Of course, i think i can answer my own question: "The pricing is such that a new purchase is equal or less than previous upgrade pricing." 😉