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Kim Hill1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)

I've looked at the available screenshots, and I'm worried.

 

On the new iTunes page, Apple says, "Simplicity is a beautiful thing" — but I'm not so sure. I don't see any conventional list views, and I'm very worried that in simplifying it, they've sacrificed the control that so many music lovers like myself have come to rely on.

 

Here's Apple's info:

 

http://www.apple.com/itunes/new-itunes/

 

Anyone have additional insight?


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4)
  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,255 points)

    Dunno.

     

    It says, "Coming in October" but iTunes 10.7 is available now.
    So we get a new version now and a new version in a few weeks?

    Sounds like someone fell asleep in the iTunes software development dept.

  • Kim Hill1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)

    iTunes 10.7 is just a minor tweak to the existing iTunes- for iOS 6 and new hardware.

     

    I'm talking about iTunes 11- the major revision that's coming in Oct.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,255 points)

    Kim Hill1 wrote:

     

    iTunes 10.7 is just a minor tweak to the existing iTunes- for iOS 6 and new hardware.

    Yes, I know.

    They should have sped up iTunes 11 development.

     

    I'm talking about iTunes 11- the major revision that's coming in Oct.

    What has been announced is what is only available.

  • PaullieG Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    3 things that spring instantly to mind that I couldn't live without:

     

    1) iTunes DJ with voting and playlist support via Remote app.

    2) Text only library list, configurable columns for sorting, bulk edit -- essential for library maintenance and house keeping!

    3) Smart playlists.

     

    My love affair with Apple is at risk if I lose these!

  • PaullieG Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    There will inevitably be people who won't like the new iTunes. What I think is that Apple didn't want to alienate people by forcing them into upgrading in order to get iOS 6 or sync with the new iPhone 5, iPod touch or nano.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,255 points)

    PaullieG wrote:

     

    What I think is that Apple didn't want to alienate people by forcing them into upgrading in order to get iOS 6 or sync with the new iPhone 5, iPod touch or nano.

    No.

    Why would they only start doing this now?

    With all previous devices, you had to upgrade to the newest iTunes/OS.

  • Kim Hill1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)

    Chris CA wrote:

     

    What has been announced is what is only available.

     

    No- there were two things announced- one is available.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,255 points)

    Kim Hill1 wrote:

     

    No- there were two things announced- one is available.

    The words that were used in the announcement (and on the page you linked to) is the only information available for the new iTunes (11)...

    Better?

  • Limnos Level 8 Level 8 (40,725 points)

    Make sure you keep a backup copy of old versions and your library before upgrading.

  • PaullieG Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Why now? Because its a major upgrade and overhaul of the interface. I don't recall a more radical change.

  • Kim Hill1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)

    PaullieG wrote:

     

    3 things that spring instantly to mind that I couldn't live without:

     

    1) iTunes DJ with voting and playlist support via Remote app.

    2) Text only library list, configurable columns for sorting, bulk edit -- essential for library maintenance and house keeping!

    3) Smart playlists.

     

    My love affair with Apple is at risk if I lose these!

     

    Many, many people have been organizing music in iTunes for years now. If Apple orphans that work, or creates a dead-end for it, it will be a catastrophe.

  • Kim Hill1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)

    Limnos wrote:

     

    Make sure you keep a backup copy of old versions and your library before upgrading.

     

    Ultimately, that doesn't help. There are so many reasons that users will forced to upgrade in time- and sooner rather than later. (iPhone/iPad syncing, iTunes Store, etc.)

     

    We are at Apple's mercy here. Let's hope it doesn't end badly.

  • Limnos Level 8 Level 8 (40,725 points)

    1) iTunes is free software.  As such it isn't targeted at the "power user" nor does Apple have a specific committment to produce a certain style product.

     

    2) iTunes' developments over the past decade have largely been in the marketing facet.  As for basic music playing not much has changed since it was developed from Soundjam.  What has changed a lot is the introduction of the iTunes Store and interfacing with mobile devices.

     

    3) Apple is a for-profit corporation.   We might like to remember them as the little-computer-that-could taking on the big corporations, but frankly they aren't that anymore.  They have a responsibility to their shareholders to do whatever it takes to maximize profit.  We don't really know what the October iTunes looks like (much) but if they decide to dumb it down so it is easier for people primarily interested in using iPhones to use then from a marketing perspective can't blame them.  We might not like it and might yearn for the the days when Apple really was computers, but those days are gone.

     

    4) If Apple decided iTunes wasn't in their interest they would drop it in a flash.  Where's iDVD?  iDVD was something people were willing to pay for.  They still would, but Apple isn't selling it anymore even though it is clear people in general have not given up on DVDs.

     

    Don't get me wrong.  I use even older iTunes than you guys (7.5) but I also harbor no illusions about a warm fuzzy Apple trying to work with the little guy in a niche in year 2012.

  • Kim Hill1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)

    Limnos wrote:

     

    1) iTunes is free software.  As such it isn't targeted at the "power user" nor does Apple have a specific committment to produce a certain style product.

     

    I disagree. Apple has added many, many features to iTunes over the years that target the power user. From smart playlists, to obscure things like ID3 tag version control. Power users features are sprinkled throughout iTunes. And to say that Apple doesn't have a "specific committment to produce a certain style product" is true, but also fairly obvious/meaningless.

     

    2) iTunes' developments over the past decade have largely been in the marketing facet.  As for basic music playing not much has changed since it was developed from Soundjam.  What has changed a lot is the introduction of the iTunes Store and interfacing with mobile devices.

     

    Basic music playing has changed a LOT. You couldn't even rate your tracks in the beginning.

     

    3) Apple is a for-profit corporation.   We might like to remember them as the little-computer-that-could taking on the big corporations, but frankly they aren't that anymore.  They have a responsibility to their shareholders to do whatever it takes to maximize profit.  We don't really know what the October iTunes looks like (much) but if they decide to dumb it down so it is easier for people primarily interested in using iPhones to use then from a marketing perspective can't blame them.  We might not like it and might yearn for the the days when Apple really was computers, but those days are gone.

    This is simplified to point of meaninglessness. There's an interaction between customers and product design teams. It may not be obvious from the outside, but there's still a give & take. What you're saying is in essence is, "Shut up and accept whatever happens," which is not a rational approach.

     

    4) If Apple decided iTunes wasn't in their interest they would drop it in a flash.  Where's iDVD?  iDVD was something people were willing to pay for.  They still would, but Apple isn't selling it anymore even though it is clear people in general have not given up on DVDs.

     

    iDVD is not a good comparison, because of the vastly different switching costs. I used iDVD, but was fairly unaffected by its slow demise.

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