DVCAM vs HDV 1ZU

Hello Everyone,

I have two cameras for my up coming project. This is regarding to preference and quality, if you're me would you shoot DVCAM using DSR500WS or HDV using 1Z? Why? This will be a documentary project to be filmed in Cambodia and Bosnia. Lots of traveling involved. I would like to hear your choices. The project will be rough edited on location using IMAC G5 and FCP Studio. I'm looking forward to hear your preference. Thanks,

Romanz

G4 dual 1.42 . 1 gb ram & Imac G5 2ghz. 2 gb ram, Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Posted on Apr 4, 2006 1:31 PM

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Apr 4, 2006 3:54 PM in response to Romanz

I guess the question is whether you want nor need High Definition video. They are both big cameras (if I'm thinking of the right DSR500). DVCAM format is a more robust than miniDV or HDV for sure. Depending on your quality and light needs, I'd rather take several cheaper cameras, like the Sony DSR-PDX10, even though the CCDs are smaller; it uses DVCAM (mini) tapes; or if you need HDV footage, the Sony A1U, though I don't like the bottom loading tape drawer.

That way, you could take a spare camera.

Ed

Apr 4, 2006 4:01 PM in response to Edward A. Oates

Thanks Ed.

I have these cameras already. I was thinking of shooting DVCAM format. That way I have two cameras to work with, but I was not sure about the Z1 in DVCAM mode, I've never done that yet. I know the HDV doesn't look bad at all. But if I shoot HDV, then I only have the Z1. I will play around with the DVCAM. I was just wondering if anyone here have any preference on the quality. The Z1 is great in low light in HDV, but I'd like to have two cameras to work with.

Romanz

Apr 4, 2006 4:16 PM in response to Romanz

Sounds like you're shooting a documentary on landmines (having done a lot of work in Bosnia myself).

As a Z1 owner who has shot overseas, I would say, take both cameras. The safest route, especially because you're going to edit in the field, is to go with DVCAM on both. Stable, safe, with longevity.

But especially if the Z1 will be your main camera, why not shoot in HDV (on Sony HD Digital Master tapes -- an absolute must to minimize dropouts), and downconvert from the camera into your edit system as SD. That way, you've got the HDV material for some point in the future, and you're still working in an SD project with access to a second camera (is it also 16:9?).

One last caveat if you're a citizen of NTSC-land. Watch your shutter speed or shoot in PAL on the Z1 to avoid fluorescent light strobing when indoors (i.e. flickering due to the frequency discrepancy between NTSC 60 HZ and the local power supply). But if both your cameras are PAL, disregard that.

Hanson

Apr 4, 2006 4:51 PM in response to hrhmedia

Thanks Hanson.

How do you guess? Yes, the documentary is called "Living with Landmines".

Unfortunately, the DSR500 only shoots NTSC, but it is switchable to 16:9. I like the idea of shooting HDV, then downconvert. Do you loose anything when you downconvert from HDV to DS? You've been helpful, thanks again.

Romanz

Apr 4, 2006 5:18 PM in response to Romanz

You could even shoot in HDV, edit in HDV, and then let Compressor down-convert as part of the conversion to mpeg2 for DVD. It has been said in these forums that avoiding the conversion to DV format (as is done when letting the camera down-convert to SD) keeps the color sample at 4:2:0 and never goes to the DV 4:1:1 samples. That should minimize color banding a bit.

But, before you head out, run a bunch of tests and determine if you want or need HDV.

Ed

Apr 4, 2006 5:33 PM in response to Jim Cookman

Thanks Jim,

Actually, I was leaning toward shooting DVCAM, too; and have the Z1 in DVCAM mode as a second camera. This is a documentary, so it will be pretty raw - it's not going to be a re-take. Two cameras will be definitely an advantage. The only script setting I have is when we interview the officials. Thanks for all your helps. This "Discussions" is a true life-line. Talk to you when I get back around July.

Romanz

Apr 4, 2006 5:37 PM in response to Romanz

I once produced a news piece on landmines in Bosnia when I worked in network news -- and a colleague of mine did a companion piece from Cambodia. The two seem to go hand-in-hand! Of course, it was when Princess Diana died, hence the sexy news hook.

I like my Z1 and the HDV quality, but after working with it for a year and shooting a number of projects, I'm craving a better lens and a more "professional" set up. So it's hard to argue with Jim Cookman when he says make the other camera your main axe.

And yes, watch your step!

Apr 4, 2006 6:50 PM in response to Jim Cookman

Hi Guys,

I'm not quite sure where I will be in Bosnia yet, but as far as Cambodia, we've already gotten a clearance from the officials there. The area we will visit is up north near the Thai border, and it is known as the last frontier of the Khmer Rouges. This area is still very hot. Thousands of landmines are being removed each month. And yes, I do hope to find some inspiring stories to go with this project. This is not a political piece, it's simply a humanitarian mission. I hope that people understand that explosive remnants of war continue to kill indiscriminatively - they don't pick side. Thank you for your responses.

Romanz

Apr 4, 2006 9:10 PM in response to Romanz

I take it you mean Z1U, if not ignore the following:

The 500 is great in low light and produces a better picture even with a cheap Canon lens, the Z1 performs about the same as a 170 or 250 and the audio circuit is not as clean as the 500s (although still good). However, the Z1 does give you the hi-def option which could be very useful if you are going to edit in SD. You can shoot loose, zoom-in with FCP and use the stabiliser to steady shots if you are shooting off the shoulder or out of a vehicle (the camera has a reasonable stabiliser already but being small...)

DVCAM is better in terms of low/no drop-outs when you are moving at pace, the MPEG2 and DV options perform about the same (test by recording and shaking the S..t of the camera).

The Z1 is also quite battery efficient and being smaller you can pass as a tourist in places where you might meet a bit of resistance with a big camera (the reverse can also apply).

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